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Whether this would increase stability in europe or whether it would decrease stability and possibly lead to war. and other considerations are very relevant. can we defend and what is the country going to do to defend itself? and what are the european allies going to do? i think it's important we not go back to the position in the '70s and '80s where we were relying on the early first use of nuclear weapons because our defenses were inadequate to defend without relying on nuclear weapons. that's a risky policy for the whole world. erse >> and was the nato expansion a mistake? did it make us mor...

Even a viable prospect when you're talking about the extent of the psychological warfare that you've described? >> well, in the first place i think any diplomacy is going to reflect the facts on the ground. and unless the facts are that putin has lost decisively and wants to withdraw, any diplomatic settlement is going to go against ukraine, and president zelenskyy is going to have a very hard time with his population after they're fighting for their lives and all those people have been murdered. they're not going to want to kiss and make up and say it's going to be okay. i think it's going to...

Are why counteroffensive, we're ready in a big way. there are are not a ton of war movies about logistics but maybe ethere should be because that's what it comes down to. can you talk about the nato battle groups being added. >> one in astonia, lat via, lithuania and poland. are yesterday agreed to add ninety-four more. so, slovakia, hungary, romania and bulgaria. it sends a strong message that world and nato is unified. we've been inspired by what's going on. so, naid nato is stepping up in a big way to make sure he knows

Get up there, the uk, estonia, poland, romania, lat via and lithuania. some good news. >> i think they will spend more time talking about balloons in london -- there's a substantive agenda at the nato summit. i actually think, you know, this might be pretty good. don't forget the president is going to nato right after he does announcement about the supreme court justice and the administrations want the focus to be on this and not on the nato trip. carley: i want to turn for a minute to the situation in north korea, they called the mike pompeo's meetings with north koreans leaders regrettable b...

>> despite the fact that i wrote a book called the plot to hack america that out lined how russia carried out these cyber operations as part of their global hybrid military warfare. they call them military operations or they compromise a political system in their interest. the russians have not only done this for the united states in the last year, they have done it against the ukraine and a stonia, georgia, lat via. we know they hacked german parliament a year ago with the same hacker mal wear and systems of russian intelligence that they hacked the dnc with. this is a large scale operation o...