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To be traveling. he is going. considering -- if anyone has paid any attention to the news today -- >> yeah. >> -- they've heard people saying, you know what, i'm not sure it's the right time, but if he comes, i will welcome him and meet with him. there are many people on the ground saying, don't do it. but presidents are expected to do that in times of tragedy. these visits wi s will be tense >> he's expected to do it but nullified his effectiveness by everything he's done to date. it doesn't pass the laugh test. there's something obscene when he stands up on monday at the white house and decr...

>> -- they've heard people saying, you know what, i'm not sure it's the right time, but if he comes, i will welcome him and meet with him. there are many people on the ground saying, don't do it. but presidents are expected to do that in times of tragedy. these visits will be tense. >> he's expected to do it but nullified his effectiveness by everything he's done to date. it doesn't pass the laugh test. there's something obscene when he stands up on monday at the white house and decries racism and bigotry and white supremacy and says we got to fight against these things when his words from the...

What is going to happen, lawrence, when the next recession starts, starts at a trillion-dollar deficit? >> and what is going to happen to republican politics post-trump? if a democrat is sworn in on the next inauguration day, will republicans in the congress immediately return to deficit concerns? >> well, it's going to be interesting. what do the evangelicals, who have worshiped at the golden calf of donald trump, going to say? are they going to snap back into saying character matters in politics? i don't think so. the laugh test will be they will flunk. republicans having given us our first ...

Going on now. it's not just the optics here. michael cohen giving public testimony is more potentially explosive than john dean for this reason. he's closer to the man who is now the president than john dean was. this is somebody who was the president's alter ego, fixer, enforcer. someone who threatened one of my reporters with real retribution for asking questions that made them uncomfortable. this is someone who knows where the bodies are buried. it doesn't pass the laugh test to see some of team trump saying, oh, he's an admitted liar and convicted felon. he was embedded into the fabric of ...

For a -- >> i think it was much lower, like a million and a half. >> no, it was actually $25 billion in the senate version. it was a trust fund over an extended period. but that was for permanent -- a pathway to citizenship for a much broader definition of dreamers, about 2 million people. one last quick point, fred. george bush almost passed immigration reform in 2006. house republicans wouldn't take it up. barack obama passed it through the senate on a bipartisan basis in 2013. house republicans wouldn't take it up. the idea we're going to solve this while federal workers are under the point...