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Hiing to congress, lying to the courts, about what happened in this election. and we'll see if they suffer any consequences for it. >> they told a lie so much they believe it. >> that's -- that's a great question i always wondered and i don't know the answer. hook how often president trump told falsehoods, how many he believed and how many he knew he was lying. i don't know the answer to that. >> laura, what do you think? >> i think they believe none of what they are saying, but hoping they are the smartest people in the room and they're duping the electorate. frankly, people that they hope wi...

Official, you would understand how you got elected into office. and then you would think somehow that the rules of the electoral process did not apply to anyone you did not want to be in office. they're not layman. they are legislative officials, and they know better, and the idea of being the quote unquote freedom caucus really is rich at best at this point. >> and laura talks about those texts that -- that liz cheney read at -- at the hearing the other day. and to me, you know, it's -- it's beyond simply the inaction, the failure to stop the riots. think about, you know, the fact that donald...

You know, organizing the riot and supporting and sponsoring and encouraging that riot is a crime. and -- and -- you know, the justice department is getting closer to proving that people at very high levels nos authorized supported this -- >> that was probably the only time when he could have fixed it and moved slowly to do so. laura, all this new information shows from election day through january 6, you said we picked this up in the middle. mark meadows was personally involved in all kinds of ways, trying to overturn the will of the people. his fate is now in the hands of the attorney general...

But there is still the looming supreme court offer in terms of the district court said listen, you have a two weeks head start here. former president trump to ask the supreme court to look into the national archives. they are looking at what the courts might ultimately say about the assertion. but they have a clear cut case of validly issued subpoena, and one that was not complied with. >> and just one more weakness in meadows' case, which is he wrote a book about all this stuff. he told the story. he told the world for profit about his communications with the president. you can't do that and ...

Witch hunt by the radical left. >> kara, thank you. i know you've been reporting all day. "outfront" now, laura cotes, harry it willman, and glory borger. good evening, all. harry, a 15-year tax scheme, 15 felony counts, including a scheme to defraud, grand larceny, falsifying records. prosecutors allege weisselberg evaded taxes of $1.7 million of income. what do you make of the charges? >> sweeping and audacious. you know, as recently as yesterday, poppy, we might have expected a few isolated tax counts. instead, what we have is a sk scheme to defraud. that's a lot more understandable for a j...