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And what is happening in this administration it's so important woe go down and see them. because in the entire debate there were so many african immigrants in mexico but they've been invisible through this whole process. so we really wanted to raise the visibility. so in terms of the hearings we held, i did that under the auspices of the subcommittee. but we were looking at the fact the general border crisis is really a humanitarian crisis. but unfortunately this administration is addressing it as though it is a law enforcement problem. and the trauma that these people have gone through, it's ...

Child. a court is involved. since when is a border patrol agent responsible for that? so we have a humanitarian crisis at the border that is being dealt with like a law enforcement problem. >> and to your point, some of the people who are being called criminals, they have perhaps a dwi in their past. since when in this country do you separate a child from that parent? >> you never do that. and also there are the children that were separated in the beginning. we don't even know how many children there are that are still separated. >> so congress does not know at this moment how many children ar...

Efforts thought of them as a law enforcement problem. they operated in their country. they stayed within their borders, now what we are seeing with white national effort groups, they are reaching out to each other by possibly learning from each other. >> that looks a lot more like what al qaeda does, what the islamic state does, international or foreign terrorist organizations, technology is fueling this, dissolving of the traditional boundaries that domestic law enforcement agencies operated in when you talk about right wing or domestic extremist groups. >> when you look at the five, i, natio...

Really, the head of the snake lies outside of the united states. is there a way that doj can be working with additional ideas, methodology, with other departments p that you might think would help? >> yes. you know, this is an area, again, because i'm out of the government, i don't know how it's functioning, how the drug war is being coordinated, but i think justice can play a big role in pushing for partners like the state department, defense department, the intelligence agencies and so forth to help deal with this. it's not -- to me not just a law enforcement problem, it's a national securit...

And you stated earlier that really the head of the snake lies outside of the united states. is there a way that doj can be working with additional ideas, methodology, with other departments, that you might think would help? >> yes. this is an area, again, because i'm out of the government, i don't know how it's functioning, how the drug war is being coordinated. but i think justice can play a big role in pushing for partners like the state department, defense department, the intelligence agencies, and so forth to help deal with this. i want -- to me, not just a law enforcement problem. it's a ...