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Look at a week of action scheduled by the Alliance of Californians for community empowerment or ace on the issue of housing and in the fight to get nodded of Santa Rita jail continues tomorrow at the board of supervisors meeting we will speak to John Lindsay Poland with the American Friends Service Committee did and the stop until coalition as well as with the mother and wife of Raymond 22 years old who was found dead in Santa Rita on July 24th 2019 all that more coming up next after the news I make sprinkle with these headlines the House Intelligence Committee is scheduled to hear testimony from another 8 witnesses this week in the House impeachment inquiry Meanwhile Democrats released more transcripts over the weekend from witnesses who testified behind closed doors one of the people who testified was 10 more recent he's a long time national security aide who said he overheard President Trump ask u.s. Ambassador to the European Union Gordon Sunline about timing approved military aid to Ukraine that country investigating Trump's political rival Joe Biden and his son Hunter lashed out again on 20 this morning saying after a few customary insults that he will quote strongly consider a suggestion from House Speaker Nancy Pelosi during an interview she did on c.b.s. Over the weekend Trump testify on his own behalf Here's Pelosi the president could come back before the committee and talk all the truth that he wanted to think that if he wants to take the oath of office so he could do it in writing he had every opportunity to present his case. The committee has a long list of witnesses scheduled on Tuesday it'll hear from Morrison along with Jennifer Williams An aide to Vice President Mike Pence Alexander vend and the director for European Affairs at the National Security Council and Kurt Volker of the former u.s. Special. And boy to Ukraine on Wednesday the committee will hear from Sun one in addition to Laura Cooper a deputy assistant secretary of defense David Hale a State Department official and on Thursday Fiona Hill a former top end S.E.'s now for Europe and Russia who appear the White House has blocked chief of staff Mick Mulvaney former national security adviser John Bolton and others from appearing before the panel. Yet another mass shooting this time in Fresno Fresno Police say 10 people were shot at a backyard party 4 of them died police say the shooting took place Sunday evening on the city's south east side Deputy Police Chief Michael Reed the initial information is that somebody came up on foot possibly at least one suspect and began firing they fired into the back yard where most of the people were in this party striking 10 people and of course that gunshot. Reid said 3 people were found dead at the back yard a 4th victim died at the hospital police say 6 others are expected to survive and are recovering at the hospital it was at least the 2nd fatal gun attack Sunday in Southeast Fresno a man in his twenty's was shot to death early Sunday at a home in another part of the city police have not said whether the incidents are connected on Kong police tightened a seizure today at a university campus as hundreds of anti-government protesters trapped inside sought to escape huge crowds of supporters advanced on foot toward the police from outside the cordon to try to disrupt the police's operations while those or others emerged from the campus Hong Kong's pro-democracy democracy protesters who have adopted fluid hidden run techniques to press their monthlong movement are having that philosophy put to the test after barricading themselves inside Hong Kong Polytechnic University and sought desperately to escape police determined to arrest them senior government officials said they were trying to deescalate the situation and urged the protesters to peacefully leave the campus and cooperate with police riot officers broke in one entrance before dawn as fires raged inside and outside the campus police who have warned that everyone in the area could be charged with rioting reportedly made scores of arrests for days protestors a fortified the campus to keep police from getting in cornered by authorities there now trying to get out Iranian state t.v. Says the country's supreme leader's supports the government's decision to increase gasoline prices and calls those setting fire to public property bandits backed by the enemies of Iran the comments by Ayatollah Ali Khamenei were reported by state t.v. On Sunday a day after protesters angered by Iran raising government set gasoline prices by 50 percent of block traffic in major cities and occasionally clashed with police that came after a night of demonstrations punctuated by gunfire and violence that reportedly killed at least one person. The Trump administration is that to issue a 90 day extension of a license today allowing u.s. Companies to continue doing business with Chinese tech giant Huawei Reuters reported Friday that an initial extension of around 2 weeks was expected and a longer extension was in the works but that had not been finalized due to regulatory hurdles over the weekend the trumpet ministrations plans reportedly changed and it now plans to renew the temporary extension for the same 90 day period as it did in August after adding wall way to AK an economic blacklist in May citing national security concerns the u.s. Commerce Department has allowed it to purchase some American made goods and moving to minimizing disruption for its customers many of which operate networks in rural America while way has declined to comment the company has rejected allegations that it spied on u.s. Tech companies. A congressional watchdog agency says at least 60 percent of u.s. Superfund sites are in areas vulnerable to flooding or other worsening disasters of climate change and the Trump administration's reluctance to door to directly acknowledge global warming is deterring efforts to safeguard them and a report being released today the Government Accountability Office called on Environmental Protection Agency administrator Andrew Wheeler the state directly that dealing with the rising risks of seas storms or wildfires breaching Superfund sites under climate change as part of the agency's mission the findings emphasize challenges for government agencies under President Trump who frequently mocks scientists urged urgent urgent warnings on global warming. The woman who accused the u.s. Supreme Court Justice Brett Kavanaugh of sexual assault made a rare public appearance on Sunday to pick up an award Christine Blas a Florida psychology professor at Holloway also university in California spoke Sunday after she accepted the Roger Baldwin Courage Award from the a.c.l.u. Of Southern California she said her decision to speak out was based on a feeling of civic obligation when I came forward last September I did not feel curried this. I was simply doing my duty as a citizen providing information to the Senate that I think. Would be relevant to the Supreme Court nomination process palsy forward testified in September 28th inning during Kavanagh's confirmation hearings that Kavanagh assaulted her during a gathering of teenagers in suburban Maryland in 1900 to Cavanagh Vienna vehemently deny the allegation sunny today in the San Francisco Bay Area high as in the 70s Los tonight in the fifty's in the central San Joaquin Valley sunny with highs around 80 Imax Pringle News returns at 731 k. P.s.a. 7 o 8 in the morning you're listening to up front I'm Kat Burke's bride upward secret time to welcome back into k p f a studio the man who never seems to leave Miss Jess or it's Good morning Mr Crawley was sounding like. They had. Going for the backlash. Good morning good morning Keppra and. Big week in d.c. 8 witnesses set to testify over the next 3 days let's walk through who is coming up 1st we've got Lieutenant Colonel Alexander didn't Yeah so he's significant he was still is I believe on the National Security Council he is the one that in a close deposition said that he saw firsthand Gordon Sunland who will be testifying on Wednesday pushing for you know what we refer to as the quid pro quo where the pressure campaign that Rudy Giuliani ends on land where engaged in to get these investigations that he also was alarmed by the phone call between Donald Trump and Ukrainian president Vladimir. And then went to John Eisenberg and reported to John Eisenberg what he heard John Eisenberg the White House counsel sort of top lawyer overlooking national security issues. And he said after he did that is when John Eisenberg started the process of removing the the record and the partial transcript of that phone call from one computer server where they usually store these type of conversations with other world leaders to another more secure server. And so you know that even mn is going to be testifying as well and we're also going to get who I think will be equally interesting to Morrison who is above women in fact replacing Tim Morrison on the new National Security Council he will also be testifying tomorrow Tim Morrison again he was sort of the boss actually of Emin's Now my understanding replacing but. Since resigned but again he listened in to the phone call he has basically confirmed all of the allegations but says he doesn't think any of it was wrong that there was actually no wrong doing and clothing the removing of the record of the call from one server to another server he said in his deposition and right there in the opening statement you know and again like Ok so you know again the argument was we were afraid that this is such a hyper political moment that this record of this call could be misconstrued out in the public arena and furthermore with he said he was really worried about was this then undermining confidence that Ukraine would have in the United States as the United States usually having you know pretty significant bipartisan support for Ukraine and they were concerned at this out there with that would do is undermine actually Ukraine in the geopolitics in the region so that's the reason for saying they didn't want this story out there not because they're trying to cover up not because. But purely because they thought it would be used in the political arena. To attack Trump in that hurt the confidence that Ukraine has in the United States as its supporter says one of the only witnesses with direct knowledge of the call that heard the call and that the smoking gun we were waiting for well Morrison had direct knowledge actually to tomorrow almost everyone. Except for perhaps Kurt Volker is had direct access to the call so. Tim Morrison had direct access to the call Alexander Vin had direct access to the call and then also Jennifer Williams who's sort of a new name in all this had direct access to the call so 3 of the panelists tomorrow are witnesses tomorrow we're listening in on to the call and Jennifer Williams is an aide to Mike Pence and she also in her deposition she's already given it behind closed doors as pretty much confirmed everything else that we have heard and express that she thought it was a problem right that she was concerned about it so she was on the call she's also significant because again being Mike Pence's aide she was involved in Mike Pence after Donald Trump pulled out of a meeting with Selenski and Poland and an international gathering he said United States had Mike Pence will go instead in a place of me well then at the very last minute she testified which may or may not be significant that Donald Trump had ordered Mike Pence at the very last minute not to meet with the Solent as well so she'll be the 4th person testifying also significant I think is today Donald Trump attacked her on Twitter. Called her never trump or yeah yeah which which comes after what we saw on Friday's hearing which I think was a lot more compelling than what we got in Wednesday's hearing I think Wednesday's hearing was fine it wasn't that does that Robert Muller was but but Friday was really interesting with the testimony from a former u.s. Ambassador to Ukraine were. Yvonne of each and there's just this moment and where Maria von of which is talking about her being recalled as ambassador to the United States and that very night she is at this. At this event honoring the memory of a Ukrainian anti-corruption activist who was murdered. And she was murdered via an acid attack us acid attack that was conducted on her and it took 4 months for her to actually dies it was a long grueling death and so that very night she was working with me of on of it they had a close relationship so that very night she gets a phone call from the State Department saying we fear for your security you have to be on the 1st plane back to Washington and then she testified well does that mean that my physical security is stay safe steak and they said well we don't know about that but we still fear for your security you've got to get out of the country right now and she's giving this testimony that she goes into you know fast forward a little bit to when she's reading the transcript between the call between Selenski and Trump in which Donald Trump calls her bad news which is all and he says he agrees 100 percent as well as Trump saying she's going to be going through some things right it's a pretty powerful moment in the hearing I think perhaps the most powerful moment so far in the hearing that was made even more significant by Donald Trump himself because this is when in real time something you wouldn't see in previous here it's every vias presidencies and real time he attacks her on Twitter and then Adam Schiff gets that tweet as she's giving this testimony I'm telling you about and reads it to her and try and gets her reaction to it and you know she says I'm I feel intimidated by this when a president goes out on social media a 66000000 followers and you know says these type of things and then Adam Schiff follows up and says Well. Well you know that some of us take witness intimidation very seriously. Which suggested and now we see what trumps doing today I don't know if this will be witness intimidation and in the courts right in the law books but again these articles of impeachment can be what ever the House of Representatives want them to be it does have to abide by some legal code and so they could very much bring an article of impeachment of witness intimidation in this process this all occurs on the same day that Roger Stone is found guilty for witness tampering right and so Friday was I think a pretty significant day is it a day that's going to move the needle are Republicans going to start to defect probably not we haven't seen that point how did the Republicans respond to Mary given of its testimony that you know they did it almost reminded me a little bit of Christine bloody forward when she came to testify at the nomination hearing for break having one of the Supreme Court in the sense that they didn't really want to go after her she was a compelling witness you felt empathy watching her give her testimony for what she was going through and I think Republicans sort of. They they they pull their punches they I think they were a little wary of going after her too strong. I mean interesting we haven't. Having polls in the field for a long enough to know if the impeachment hearings are starting to move the needle on public opinion but it would have to move really far I think for the political calculus to change for the Republicans that are that are in these hearings and to a certain extent they've all kind of taken their position it looks bad to flip flop for. Some point it could look bad though if it just becomes so overwhelming what comes out of this I mean I think that's what Democrats are trying to do right I mean I think they are trying to play on the Republicans field in this impeachment and I know a lot of our listeners have been pretty uncomfortable about these hearings so far because Also what's on very much on display is American exceptionalism right American diplomatic core doing good around the world and promoting freedom and anti corruption probably worth pointing out we say anti-corruption that also involves efforts to. Tackle corruption so that u.s. Corporations can go and businesses can go in there and do business right Ms a very complicated region in the world and we're also sending lethal weapons to Ukraine which has some people uncomfortable expression in our listener ship but I think what the Democrats are doing now that they're against all this is because you have a history of very much being for those type of things but I also think what they're trying to do is that they're playing on the Republicans home field on issues around patriotism on issues of national security on us against Russia. I mean maybe I just don't see any indication that as a political issue that's something the public cares about at all and foreign policy typically is not I am sure it makes for very uncomfortable cocktail party conversations d.c. Where Republican elected officials mix it up socially with people who work at foreign policy establishment think tanks but outside of those search. I don't know who actually really really you don't think that you don't think there are former Republicans are Republicans who are like more towards the center who are kind of worried about this thing or like exasperated what's happened in the Republican Party such that it's. Well I mean we were not there yet right I mean 1st off the guy didn't want the popular vote but we're not even there yet but you we have had other elections in which you've seen a decrease of support for Republicans in general from the suburbs which is a long stronghold for Republicans but I don't know how you get from Republicans have declining support in the suburbs which are getting more colorful demographically. To voters are voting that way because they disagree with the trumpet ministration on foreign policy I mean if anything what Donald Trump showed in 2016 was that you could run as a populist Republican with an isolationist foreign policy politics and get some traction he ran against u.s. Wars in the Middle East and elsewhere he used anti interventionist rhetoric it's not what he's done since he's been in office. But I don't know how. I mean Democrats may be thinking that way. They may be thinking that way because they go to the same cocktail parties as the Republicans and mix it up with people who work at u.s. Foreign policy establishment think tanks during the day. I just don't know that that's the pivotal issue for voters I mean I've said this to you before Mitch I think there's 2 ways of framing this one is as a foreign policy issue. The Trump administration is keeping us from being on the side of the angels in Ukraine which has been the tenor of most of these hearings the other is a democracy and corruption issue which is Donald Trump as president is it pusing the powers of his office to make it impossible for people to run against him. And I don't know I would much rather see that line of attack explored because I think that is more salient to what you know Pietschmann perceiving is actually supposed to be a corrective to. One issue a direction you are taking the argument in but I do think that I do think that there are Republicans out there who are traditional Republicans long term Republicans who feel. Easy about Donald Trump in an easy about what direction the Republican Party has gone in does that mean it's a majority does that mean that Donald Trump does not have considerable support from a certain sector of society and it doesn't mean that but yeah I guess I would disagree with you I think I'm not saying which direction the Pietschmann should go on I mean if it was me conducting the impeachment already 12 articles of impeachment ranging a whole host of issues right but Nancy Pelosi at the time could not get that she cannot get support from her own party to move to an impeachment proceeding from against on a certain party was for well from a caucus members in the House of Representatives we're not we're not for it and so you know she can get it they voted. On Al Green's articles of impeachment they got a 3rd of the votes that it would have needed or maybe well maybe a little more than 30 but not a whole lot more and so this is you know I think Nancy Pelosi again I've said this before when you're Speaker of the House of Representatives you're playing power politics and your job at that point and sometimes upset your home base right we've seen leaders kicked out of office before because they weren't tending to their districts needs but Nancy Pelosi right now is the leader of the House Democratic Caucus as speaker of the house makes or one of most powerful people in all of the country and when you're at that level you're playing power politics and she could not get enough support of her own caucus to move forward with an impeachment and tell this issue of Ukraine came up and I think the reason being is because she was able to get. 28 of the 30 Democrats who come from districts who Donald that Donald Trump won in 2016 many of those people won those seats in 2018 just recently and that's where she saw that she can get a majority to move forward with and that's what she did. I think sometimes and I says a lot on the show that sometimes we lose track of folks that aren't as deeply in the weeds as we are around all of this stuff and for a lot of Americans are just hearing the word impeachment it's one more Donald Trump scandal and there is such a thing as scandal fatigue where you just they may not even what may not matter to them whether it is because whatever foreign policy in the Ukraine or whatever but it's the word impeachment Kerry is a lot of weight and that is sitting in people's brains and hearts and minds on top of every other scandal and I'm sure they'll be more scandals post this because that's just the presidency of Donald Trump and so I wonder how much Democrats are banking on that as well that folks aren't having I don't think this is the conversation that people are having at their dinner tables actually. I think it's how much more from this president can this country possibly take or Patriots being embarrassed by this president or right he's turned on his country I think those are the conversations that are being had a vast majority of households that are even talking about it at this point. Yeah I mean one thing it's certainly taken away from him is the initiative is the ability to kind of define the issues the conversation will happen around I can't remember the last time a new cycle was kind of determined by a press release or the young failing of a new policy coming out of the White House to the extent that any message from the White House is hitting the national press it's in response to what's coming out of the impeachment proceedings and that really strips the president of one of their primary political powers which is the power to choose the ground that you'll fight on. And that makes the question of how long the hearings go I guess over the weekend answer Palosi said they might stretch into January. A really interesting one the conventional wisdom had been this is bad it keeps Democratic primary candidates from kind of getting their names out there once it moves to the Senate those candidates who are senators are going to have to watch all of the proceedings to serve as jurors on them and that's going to keep them from you know hitting the campaign trail and building the machines that whoever prevails in the primary will need to win in November. On the other hand has pretty impressively defanged the Trump White House so far. Well I mean look do I think Democrats believe that they are going to get Republicans in Congress to switch sides and vote to remove Donald Trump I don't I mean still a possibility but I don't suspect that's going to happen and I don't think Democrats think that is going to happen and I think this very much is about the next election coming up both for the presidency and Congress I think there are I think the Democrats are looking at this I think Nancy Pelosi is even looking at this and to be very clear California is not rest the country as we know but that said that this could potentially be a moment in which what happen to the Republican Party in California happens nationally that it just gets so crazy that people start to leave it and that's why I think they're playing on their field in this impeachment for issues around patriotism maybe even militarism right now we're talking about military aid here and I think that's why they're doing except I think they can they feel like this is their chance to potentially make the Republican Party in a relevant party will be successful I don't know I mean it's important to point out that Republicans right now control the White House and the Senate so it's still a significant party but I think this is I think this in the big scheme of things is what the strategy is if I were them I would try to continue this as long as I possibly could because people's memories fade right like Come come in the summer come March the news cycle has shifted enough and only come December than is Cycloset enough that that goes in the back of people's brains and so I would beat this drum as long as I possibly could I guess the problem is fatigue right yeah just fading to background level cynicism yeah oh yeah they're impeaching the president what else is there. Are these hearings this week start at 6. 8 Well that's just because you're going to be hosting that. Guess will be hosting them together we will continue our impeachment watch coverage tomorrow. Morrow at 6 am our time 9 am Eastern Standard Time in the morning we have Lieutenant Colonel Alexander as if in the top Ukraine expert for the National Security Council and Jennifer Williams An aide to Vice President Mike Pence and the afternoon beginning at 11 30 am our time we have Kurt de Volcker the former United States special envoy to Ukraine and Timothy Morrisson a Europe and Russia expert for the National Security Council look in seems like a 12 hour day it does sound like a 12 hour day Wednesday again hearings start at 6 am we'll have them here live in the morning Gordon de Sunland the United States ambassador to the European Union in the afternoon beginning at 11 30 am Laura Cooper the deputy assistant secretary of defense for Russian Ukrainian and your Asian affairs and David Hale the Undersecretary of State for Political Affairs and we were not done yet Thursday again at 6 am well have live coverage Fiona Hill the National Security Council's former senior director for Europe and Russia and she'll be alone she I mean she's like the closer right unless they schedule more hearings which they haven't yet but . You know. That's going up tomorrow. And coming up next on this program where you take a look at a wave of homeless community convictions that have been taking place in oak will be tried in studio with me to be housing activist and co-founder of the village and our own Lucy who has been reporting on life inside encampments in Oakland That's coming up next after than is Imax parental with these headlines yet another mass shooting this time in Fresno Fresno Police say 10 people were shot at a backyard party 4 of them died police say the shooting took place Sunday evening on the city's south east side Police say that 3 people were found dead in the backyard a 4th victim died at the hospital police say 6 others are expected to survive on are recovering at the hospital it was. The 2nd fatal gun attack on Sunday in Southeast Fresno a man in his twenty's was shot to death earlier that day at a home in another part of the city police have not said whether the incidents are linked Britain's Prince Andrew tried over the weekend to dismiss allegations he had sex with the woman who says she was Geoffrey Epstein's sex slave the Duke of York made the claim in an interview with the b.b.c. That he hoped would clear his name in the b.b.c. Interview Andrew was confronted with detailed accusations from Virginia Roberts' Frey claims she was a sex slave of Jeffrey Epstein Roberts Q Frey says Epstein who forced her to have sex with a royal on 2 occasions in 2001 when she was only 17 in the interview Andrew claims not to have met Robert's Q Frey and not to have known Epstein very well I didn't have much time with him I suppose I saw him also twice a year perhaps maybe nice of 3 times again. Quite often if I was in the United States and doing things and if he wasn't there he would say Why don't you come in. As is so I said That's very kind thank you very much indeed Robert's good for a claims and you had sex with her for the 1st time at the home of just plain Maxwell after they met at the tramp nightclub in London Maxwell was one of the woman accused of procuring under-age girls for Epstein and his friends the Los Angeles County Board of Supervisors has voted to find more funding to fill the residential care gap created by the closures dozens of board in care facilities for mentally ill and medically needy residents Danforth's reports the board decided to allocate county funds towards helping some of the Board and Care operators as well as opening more facilities overall unfortunately board and cares are closing rapidly leaving many volatile ball residents at risk of become. Halmos incarcerated or institutionalized supervisor Janice Hahn coauthored the motion calling for the county to find funding sources to bail out struggling boarding care homes the state thought I raid is only $35.00 per day and that's not nearly enough we've found to cover the cost needed to operate a facility the homes are tasked with providing rooms meals and other types of care by staff about $25000.00 low income people in l.a. County rely on the homes although more than half are at unlicensed homes since 201639 of the facilities have been forced to close down and experts say many more are at risk of shutting down and for its Pacifica Radio k p f k Los Angeles the c.e.o. Of the nation's largest utility is expected to face angry California lawmakers over the company's decision to turn off power for millions of people to prevent its outdated equipment from starting wildfires p.g. And e. Corp c.e.o. 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And at brown paper tickets dot com for November 20th unwanted spot. It is just about 7 35 in the morning this is up front My name's Brian a particular and I'm cat Brooks and the City of Oakland has an estimated 6000 people living on its streets 80 percent of those people are black and over 50 percent of them are formally housed residents of the city last week the city of Oakland continued with its mast eviction strategy attempting to clear the curbside community on East 12th and 16th Street residents of the curbside community resisted including the to be an on house activist and co-founder of the village who locked herself to one of the homes slated for destruction Here's her clip. I am currently locked myself in one of the structures that try to demolish this morning on 12 and 17 people are literally getting left on a bed of the road where the home of the one used to stand and the home I'm in right now how do. Families. I mean. To intimate that you didn't know it is unacceptable and we are demanding to believe that home alone. That was the voice that needed be unhoused activist and co-founder of the village we're joined in studio this morning by Lucy Cain r k p f a features reporter who's been covering encampment infections in Oakland Good morning Lucy Good morning Kat thank you for being here this clearance on East Coast and 16 streets was a 2 day process you were there for the 1st day can you talk about what you saw Yeah absolutely so. Keeping in mind that just to set the scene for you this is a busy street and there's a strip a median strip next to this busy street on which dozens of residents have built wooden structures makeshift tiny homes and that there are a number of tents also on this piece of land and when I arrived the the city had closed off one of the lanes but left a one open and what I saw was a very key Arctic scene I saw residents frantically trying to pull belongings wooden wooden remnants from these structures as the shelters nearby were being demolished by the city heavy machinery and keeping in mind that because not both lanes of traffic were stopped residents were also having to dart between cars so you know it was it was a little bit of an intense situation we are joined by phone also this morning by me to be a co-founder of the village and housing activist Good morning Dana. Morning thank you for joining us we just got Lucy's take on what the scene was on day one can you talk about what happened and what it was like on thing. Crazy like she was saying was really had that been crazy. Was devastating you know. Folks are just. Trying to. I mean she just kind of the just trying to like. Save their belongings another thing too is that no one to get an clear answer from public works as to what they were going to take what they were going to destroy how far down east they were going to go. So advocates couldn't get a clear answer every now and then the resident going to get a clear answer and so that added more of the confusion and at one point. Tell you have been has been Hankins deals with love and justice the street and the homes advocacy working group had gone to the. Public works crews supervisor Peter Del up and had asked him how far down the stuff they were going they said all the way down to Berkeley King which is on. Its 12th and. 15th Avenue and she said you know we had we had. The village had a couple of houses much behind but you know we had built. I hadn't been tagged that we were able to Legace cape you know demolition through negotiations and she wanted to clarify she you know it does that mean the village health has to go are you going to you know give those and the supervisor one answer and he laughed and said I'm going to make you guys wait who spent and then she came back and told us and so I went over there and I was like. Oh you're going to demolish the houses that we that we built and he's like well you're not the owner of the house is knowing damn well. My relationship with als is that I fund raise for those out there that I organize the Building Crew to build those houses that when people's houses needed repair that I would again fundraise and get a building crew down there to repair it and I was like Well technically I am I'm a landlord who doesn't collect rent. Made in the property and make sure it's cool for the tenant and he's like I'm not going to tell you and I mean just to add and the thing is is that one of the houses that we built was the way for a woman who gets raped consistently on the street and for him to think that that was a joke and to not communicate with us what their plans were so that we could get no probably prepared for the folks that we had how because they were because this is you know if it comes down to live crazy. But it was it's devastating to be out there. If you know it to just watch people thing be destroyed and in this instance to watch actually home be destroyed yet again. Folks just you know scrambling to say what they can. It's crazy that because how tax dollars are used and the city refuses you know this this entire kind of procedures which is the lead and overseen by these this is the administrator Joe De Vries and he refuses to call these events sions he called them clean and clear which is what they characterize trash removal. And the fact that he. Insists that these are queen in clear as well as not he's a demolitions of people some should point out we did reach out to Joe to free his office to try to get someone from the city that come on to the segment to speak to what they're doing or why they think they're doing it and they didn't respond to our requests in the past and I have to say in the past because I don't have a statement on this that the city has raised concerns about rats and about fire hazards when one stuff builds up in camp and what was the situation at this one. So this particular encampment was folks who were Ok so 2 years ago almost to the date almost to the date of this demolition 2 years ago the city. Moved these folks its a good like 20 people 20 to 30 people moved them up the street to property the city had just given our organization the village and told these folks to go ahead and start building their houses the folks on the property that got moved to the village a lot never were told that the the the land had actually been offered. And was for the village and the vet and the city Joe who made the decision to move these people up to the lot was literally in the goshi ations with the villagers figure out the the terms of the Land Use Agreement and never bother to tell us that he was moving these folks up to this land and when he did this to 6 other encampments and dump them onto the land and when I had called and asked What are you doing. I actually directly called the mayor and she told me to just leave that everybody which of course we didn't. And so January 2019 this year when the city bulldozed the village because I'd actually turned out the land they gave us wasn't even the city it was. A California is the state of California didn't know we were on that land. The city bulldozed. All these folks after they had told them 2 years ago that they would not . Bother them anymore and then literally helped everyone move back down to East 12th between 15th and 19th. With a police escort some of the folks the campers that with friends would tell one of them to get towed on the. Procedure last week they were given police escort down to the streets and then they were towed so since January after the city left everybody on that east to a median. The city never went back to provide them with any kind of services including trash or porta potties and so since January you've had by you know about 30 people living on that median that the city put there and never provided treacherous is too and so I think it's really hypocritical and it totally irresponsible for the city to say that oh well you're causing a rat Well no actually City of Oakland you cause the rat problem because you dump 30 people on that street and neglected them and left them to their own devices and then what's really mean eroded and completely arbitrary is that Joe has decided to use a brick and mortar standard for actual buildings you know that are brick and mortars you know regular regular buildings that have sprinkler systems and sewage lines and electrical systems. And running water he's using those standards on encampments now and why he justified destroying these buildings that people had built for themselves is because they didn't follow brick and mortar standard how can you compare that to how can you compare. A full blown building to a self made structure that doesn't have you know you can't you it's ridiculous and we even have. 10 more hours from the talian one. Fires they let me to. You know we asked and he's part of the hog on the 7th day working group and I asked him what you know a bunch of that's I'm actually what what do you what's your take on this and see like if this is about you know fire safety or fire concern this is the most ridiculous way to deal with these all you have to do is make sure that everyone has fire extinguishers and smoke detectors to start that's even better the start and that point completely. You know. Avoid this process of destroying people's houses what was also interesting. Is that the same time Joe was deciding to destroy the buildings on base 12 media and he was also talking about destroying the buildings that high straight and. There were 4 structures on High Street and 2 of them were actually built by the village and at a public meeting. I thought he Hall Joe was explaining you know what he was going to high state and what he's going to do it he's 12 and then he said all the houses . On High Street that the open school of the arts built those 4 houses up there were going to keep but those houses down east well for destroying and he was on the village houses and I asked well what's the difference between the houses on East 12th in the houses on High Street and all the houses on my street are built much better they're much more safe you know he was going on and on and then talked about how the houses on East were a fire hazard and totally unsafe an unstable I said Joe you know that 2 of the houses that you're talking about high street were actually built by the village. And he turned be red and I said you know those 2 houses are built off the identical blueprint about 2000 bodies 12 and he lost his mind and started to attack me. About how the 1st time he met me he will never forget it Marcus Garvey Park and how I said that we were on a lonely land and it was stolen land and I mean he went off and everyone in the meeting just kind of like got real quiet. But what we were thinking what what people there witnessed and what both our understanding is that he was arbitrarily making decisions of what he was that denied out there. I'm stuck. Using standards that didn't exist. And targeting specifically the village and anything here is something I did with the village and he did not associate the home of the high street with this so he would go to spare them from destruction. But I mean. It's just crazy that. He had so much power. So much. You know there's millions of dollars. He had you know and over and we feel like he had really you then power to decide how to run that money and how to treat. Folks who were living on the street. And knew that our it was really and I but surely at the end of. That I see it having counted and I mean it meant to be at the you know at the expense of taxpayer dollars is justifiable and it would not have. You shaking your head you've spoken to some people the reflect the trauma that was incurred on that day can you walk us through a couple of folks you spoke with yeah absolutely I want to mention that this median strip was very close to a site that I had profiled in a previous radio documentary about serial addictions and many of the residents on this strip of East 12th had as Needham mentioned been displaced from this from this area to East 20th to East told in 23rd and then back you know for example one woman I spoke to recounted you know having her whole family displaced in this another person I spoke to levy hung had actually been displaced from another man at Union Point Park and his camper had been towed in this in last week's eviction and he said to me that you know he actually couldn't afford the money to get it out of the tow yard and so he's effectively without housing right now and keeping in mind that these are folks who have long histories in the neighborhood Mr Lee manage an auto shop nearby for many years and we actually have a clip of him right now. When we lost some then that we can see now I don't. Even know it's just not big is this we have a roof to cover our heads you know for rain and sun. And now is been told. I don't know that is where is my good friend I see these days. But tonight. The winter is just coming and then we have 2 very cold at night time so that was right now I tried to get it in a word that is left over since save it might be tonight go and then we can do this is to people as he rounds. I just want to mention that like according to the reports that I heard the city did not offer any alternatives no tense of the residents and so although this was technically listed as a quick clean and clear where residents would be able to move back into the median strip you know their shelters have been demolished right and according to one housing advocate I spoke to Operation dignity did come out but only after the pressured the city to do so and I have to say as well that it was difficult for me to get in touch with the city to touch get more information about this issue I reached out to Jude Rees multiple times Karen Boyd who runs the communications for the city as well. Need aware are the residents that were cleared now are they back on the median strip just without housing what efforts are going on to get them the basics like 10 pts. Right so I was at the site well after 1030 that night just kind of you know making sure the folks had you know at least some food some water and some support moving back on to the media and the city literally left the Ok so as Lucy had mentioned earlier you know the city put only blocks half the street when the when old when public works was done. You know for demolishing things for that day. O.-p.g. Clear the the the median that half the block that they are the half of the median that they are the half of the street that they had blocked and took off and so now you have full blown like peep traffic of people going 40 miles on the hour for importing miles an hour down the street in the dark. And folks were running back and forth in the dark with like 40 mile an hour traffic going trying to get across the way and there were no 10th the community provided a tent I have put a call out to folks Tully her husband Hank and put a call out to folks she was able to get most of the tents from the from the from community donations and then Nikki fortune Abbas's office Nick the councilwoman for that district she had been trying to get Joe to provide tents for the folks and he told her that there's more than money and so she actually provided her office provided the remainder of the tent that we cannot secure from the community and what's so crazy is that prior to 2017 the city was only funding $250000.00 per year . For her towards almost $250000.00 per year. Out of city hall towards home of the and over the past 2 years advocates like myself. Members of Holmes advocate the working group we have been able to. Advocate and lobby for accords of $56000000.00 to be spent on homeless services and the city has already spent probably around when I say the city I'm talking about Jodi and this can a management team which is you've been there with the public works. P.d. And the fire department and now they just add a Department of Transportation and LP these towing unit to that team they have actually spent upwards of of that $5030000000.00. In since 2007 on what and that's what we want to know because home for this has doubled during that same exact time. And people who've gone through the tough shit program a vast majority say like 80 percent of those folks are right back on the street where they had been addicted from before the trap sheds we don't know what that money's been spent on cat no one knows but it should be spent on demolishing folks you know what Joe should have done is a way that encampment says there's nowhere for folks to go since he couldn't avoid them anywhere you know not the cold and cruel part is that because he could see they're trying not to. Get themselves in trouble for the Martin versus Boise decision which says that you know cities cannot remove people or criminalize people. For living on the streets when there's nowhere else to go and in the city cannot even people from a site if they cannot provide adequate housing because there's no adequate housing he just going to go out and demolish people call the clean and clear. And then tell the judge we never evicted people. We let them stay right there but you left them on there they were on their knees and then you knocked them down on the ground they were living flat now so yeah when that night people had nothing had it not been for community members well men to get stuff that had not been for Nicky for to the office who was out was out as late as we were trying to find tents and something else I want people to realize that that particular and catmint has so many pets there are so many dogs there are so many cats and people were. Hiding their you know keeping their animals in vehicles in duffel bags whatnot and what really struck me is when folks moved back to the meetin and let their animal loose the confusion of the animals was crazy because their home was gone the you had all these animals running around not knowing where their homes were they were just as traumatized as a human beings and actually Mr Lee's dog one of the studies dogs the very next night was killed by a car because he was out in the street because he didn't have anywhere to go. You know what you don't want to stay in the dark. Let's see if we want to add something as we prepare to wrap you know just to you know Note that these these are people's homes you know that are being destroyed and that the whole process really is he usually disruptive and traumatizing you know a lot of the folks that I serve encounter that day while I was there seemed to be in shock at a very visceral level and also this clean and clear operation as well as the one earlier this month at East 8th and high street were done with the rationale of fire safety people did seem like they were being left in much worse situations and I'll just you know remind folks also that you know the conclusion of the report of the u.n. Special repertory on housing last year did recommend that you know local governments up create informal set of settlements not to demolish them and that this is a human rights issue and that you know from what I see can see here in Oakland that we are in many ways living in the middle of a humanitarian crisis. Lucy Kang thank you so much for joining us thank you Lucy King is k.p. a Phase features reporter covering encampment infections in Oakland native be thank you for joining us this morning. Yes thank you for having me and to be is that housing activist and co-founder of the village and that takes us to just about 8 o'clock in the morning or the city of Oakland would not want to tangle with me to be nice. Is k.p. If a 94 point one f.m. In Berkeley k.p.s. Be 89.3 f.m. In Berkeley K.F.C.'s 88 point one f.m. In Fresno k 2 for b.r. 97.5 f.m. In Santa Cruz and around the world w w w talk a p.f.a. Dot org There was up front My name is Brian ever takers and I'm cat Brooks and we are going to continue talking about housing and resistance to what is happening to Oakland As a result of things like soaring housing prices public lands being sold to private developers and so much more this week Oakland fights back with the week of Housing Action called for by the Alliance of Californians for community empowerment or Ace for going to speak to Carol Pfeiffer the director of Ace Oakland in San Francisco and also Israel a piece a field organiser with Ace That's coming up next after the news. I'm explain all these headlines yet another mass shooting this time in Fresno Fresno Police say 10 people were shot at a backyard party and 4 of them died but he said the shooting took place Sunday evening on the city's southeast side Deputy Police Chief Michael re the initial information is that somebody came up on foot possibly at least one suspect and began firing they fired into the back yard where most of the people were in this party striking 10 people in the course of that gunshot Reid said 3 people were found dead on the at the scene and a 4th victim died later at the hospital police say 6 others are expected to survive on are recovering at the hospital it was at least the 2nd fatal gun attack Sunday in Southeast Fresno a man in his twenty's was shot to death or early Sunday at a home in another part of the city police have not said whether the incidents could be connected to the House Intelligence Committee is scheduled to hear testimony from another 8 witnesses this week in the House impeachment inquiry Meanwhile Democrats released more transcripts over the weekend from witnesses who testified behind closed doors one of the people who testified was Tim Morrison he's a long time national security aide said he overheard President Trump ask u.s. Ambassador to the European Union Gordon Sunland about timing approved military aid to Ukraine that country investigating trumps a political rival the Biden's after a few customary insults Trump tweeted today that quote He will strongly consider a suggestion from House Speaker Nancy Pelosi she made during an interview with c.b.s. Over the weekend that invited Trump to testify on his own behalf the president could come back before the committee and talk all the truth but he wanted to figure out exactly what he wants to take the oath of office so he could do it in writing he had every opportunity to present his case. The committee has a long list of witnesses scheduled on Tuesday we'll hear from Morrison along with Jennifer Williams An aide to Vice President Mike Pence also Alexander Venkman the director for European Affairs at the National Security Council and Kurt Volker the former u.s. Special envoy to Ukraine on Wednesday the committee will hear from Sunderland in addition to Laura Cooper a deputy assistant secretary of defense and David Hale a State Department official and on Thursday Fiona Hill a former top in s.c. Staff are from Europe and your Russia will appear the White House is.
Tear gas canisters were fired by riot police narrowly over our heads and into the crowd then as we'll as opposition is staged nationwide protests against the government of President Nicolas Maduro is leader one going to call for a new wave of demonstrations to revive efforts to remove his administration from office world news from the b.b.c. The British government and armed forces have been accused of covering up illegal killings by British troops in Afghanistan and Iraq an investigation by the b.b.c. And The Sunday Times spoken to 11 British detectives who say they found credible evidence of war crimes the investigators see evidence of torture and murder was disregarded the Ministry of Defense said it rejected the unsubstantiated allegations Iran's interior minister Abdul Reza Rahmani fastly has warned that the country's security forces will act to restore order against the widening protests over a fuel price rises and rationing his warning came as right police clashed with demonstrators in Tehran and other cities across Iran Local media say one person has been killed in the city of Syria John Rich Preston has more details in Tehran demonstrators blocked roads even calling on the police to join them tear gas was used to break up the crowds violent clashes were reported across the country Iran's interior minister has warned security forces will restore calm if attacks on property continue fuel is heavily subsidized in Iran but American sanctions over its nuclear program have hit the country's economy hard. An aide to the Us vice president told congressional committee leading the impeachment inquiry into Donald Trump that his phone call to his Ukrainian counterpart had been inappropriate the concerns of Jennifer Williams were laid out in transcript released on Saturday Another witness told the committee he had not been comfortable with Mr Trump's wish that President Pollard Demers Olinsky became involved in u.s. National politics. Researchers in the United States have found that simple treatment of stable heart disease can offer the same benefits as expensive invasive procedures current guidelines recommend bypass surgery or a stent b.b.c. News. You're listening to the news room from the b.b.c. World Service with me Alex Ritson We begin with that extraordinary interview on the b.b.c. In which Prince Andrew has categorically denied having any sexual contact with an American woman who says she was forced to have sex with him aged 17 in the lengthy interview the Queen's 2nd son said he had no recollection of ever meeting her he says he couldn't remember a photograph which appears to show him with his arm around her ever being taken Duchess of the Duke of York also questions about his friendship with the disgraced financier Geoffrey Epstein who'd been convicted of procuring an under-age girl for prostitution this report from our correspondent journey time and there were 3 big questions in this interview why the prince went to see and stay with Jeffrey Epstein after the businessman had been convicted of child sex offenses how he ended up being photographed with his arm around the bare midriff of Virginia Roberts and whether her claims that he'd had sex with her were true the alleged relationship between the prince and Ms Roberts were put to him in detail by Newsnight Emily make this in a legal deposition 2015 she said she had sex with me 3 times once in a London house when she was trafficked in Maxwells house here once in New York a month or so later at Epstein's mansion and want on his private island in a group of 7 or 8 other girls. No. No to all of all of it absolutely no to all of it why would she be saying those things. We wonder exactly the same. But I have no idea it did not happen said the Prince I cannot recollect the lady I categorically deny it on the photo of him and Virginia Roberts he said he could not remember it being taken and suggested that some of its details were somehow incorrect that the clothes he was wearing he would never wear in London and that he'd never visited the upper floor of the house where the photo was taken as to the 2010 visit to see Jeffrey Epstein he said it was for one reason only to tell abstain that their friendship was over he admitted that staying in the home of a child sex offender was wrong and that he'd let the side down by not up holding the standards expected of the royal family but he insisted he had done the wrong thing for the right reasons at the end of the day. With the benefit of all the hindsight that one could have. It was definitely the wrong thing to do. But at the time I felt it was a paper stick on the right thing to do and I admit fully that my. Judgement was probably colored by my. Tendency to be too honorable but that's just the way it is this was a long and detailed interview no easy encounter for the Prince he had he said no regrets about his friendship with Epstein but acknowledged that the subsequent scandal had become a constant saw the him and his family Johnny diamond the counting of votes is underway in Sri Lanka's presidential election the election commission said voter turnout was at around 80 percent the final result is expected to be announced later today South Asia editor Jill McGiver ng is in Sri Lanka and she reports on how the voting unfolded. I'm at a polling station in Colombo where there's a queue of about $25.00 people waiting to vote men and women together in brightly colored clothes it's a long paper Palace I've just watched them filling in their papers and then going forward and poking them into the big ballot box under the gaze of election officials it's very quiet calm and very orderly the. Fact that earlier this week I attended a massive rally outside Colombo for one of the main candidates by at Rajapaksa he and his powerful family faced allegations of war crimes and corruption charges they deny his supporters many from the Buddhist Sinhalese majority see him as a strongman someone to restore order after the Islamist attacks and protect Buddhist interests. But certainly was the before and secured the area he finished the. People are not satisfied with the present government regarding security his main opponent. Also promises to focus on security but when I spoke to him this week he made a point of addressing probably the tensions to between Buddhists and Muslims we will be very strong on national security because extremism in itself compromises and impacts that to mentally on national security as part of that how do you also make the Muslim community feel welcome here I don't want to single out a particular company it's all communities communities of all ethnic religious backgrounds they're citizens of our country and we showed strive to protect all communities and all religions since the Easter attacks the economy has become a key issue to tourism is down the cost of living is up this man said his business was struggling small factory we don't know how much sales so obviously there's not much production and that's because of the economy I mean people are struggling to buy purchasing power is really low. So obviously I mean real outlook on down our margins is really less and less really hard on a company with the labor cost and such there's another underlying issue too and that voter apathy many people said they were disillusioned and might not bother voting at all or the bodies were to fail and that's what's what's different about it. I don't trust both parties anybodies at the end of the day they're going to do what they're going to do. And what a lot into it now the polls have closed the count begins in a race still too close to call. During the u.k. Government and armed forces have been accused of covering up the killing of civilians by British troops in Afghanistan and Iraq an investigation by b.b.c. Panorama and The Sunday Times has spoken to a dozen British detectives who say they found credible evidence of war crimes insiders say soldiers should have been prosecuted for the killings the Ministry of Defense says it rejected the unsubstantiated allegations of a pack of cover ups the B.B.C.'s Richard Bilton reports in 2017 the government announced it was closing separate investigations into war crimes in Iraq and in Afghanistan not a single soldier has been prosecuted now panorama has spoken to insiders who worked on the Iraqi story allegations team and operation north more which looked at war crimes in Afghanistan panorama has examined a number of cases where detectives wanted to bring charges against soldiers for illegal killings and senior officers for covering up evidence all were rejected by military prosecutors some detective claim the Ministry of Defense never had any intention of prosecuting soldiers and said the investigations were shut down for political reasons Dave was one of the I had investigators he wanted to give his evidence anonymously the Ministry of Defense had no intention of prosecuting. Any Soldier of whatever rank he was and less It was absolutely necessary and they couldn't wriggle their way out of it these are the biggest of allegations the state capital murder yes I'd love him I feel sorry for the family they deserve justice some people are able to draw a line under it and move on Nichols me. The fact that justice wasn't given to the family the m.o deep says military operations are conducted lawfully and the decisions not to prosecute were made after extensive investigation it says the B.B.C.'s claims have been passed to the service police and the service Prosecuting Authority who remain open to considering allegations Richard Bilton You're listening to the b.b.c. World Service fear and hours the headlines that you have Yorker Zenaida ever having sex with the American Virginia Giuffre and just said some of her story is false the man chosen to be the next prime minister of Lebanon has withdrawn his candidacy following protests on social media and the u.n. Human rights chief says she's worried that Bolivia could spiral out of control following the sudden departure of the former president Evo Morales Yes More now on the worsening violence in Bolivia that has been taking place in a number of cities on Saturday at least 9 people were killed in clashes after security forces opened fire on supporters of the former president a farmer are less in Cochabamba in central Bolivia more than 20 people critically ill in hospital amid claims of electoral fraud Mr resigned a week ago and fled to Mexico correspondent Will Grant spoke to the news from from the pass the pictures show plumes of tear gas large numbers of people and their bodies at the hospital people with gunshot wounds and sound so yes I think the description of the potential for it to spin or spiral out of control is a pretty accurate one to be honest what do we know about what went on in Cochabamba and why do the authorities think that kind of reaction is likely to make this situation go away well what it appears to have been is of seeing a protest there the majority the protests are essentially asking for very basic ideas they want in they want the into. Government to step down and they want ever more or less back I mean you know that's what I'm picking up from talking to people there's not much subtlety if you like in the in the demands being made I was talking to some protesters in the past couple of days and and some of their anger is actually over the way that the indigenous flag has been treated there are images in the of the indigenous part flag known as the we pile of having been burned having being stomped on and those videos going around social media caused a great reaction so in a sense it's it's a feeling that the indigenous community are under attack and are going to be persecuted by the new government also will have news that 700 Cuban doctors have been flying home from Bolivia What do you know about this essentially again the interim government is trying to reverse the socialist policies of ever more or less they've done a number of things in particular they have brought an end to the joint health care program between Cuba and Bolivia in which Cuban doctors particularly worked in rural and remote areas $700.00 or so doctors will now be returning to Cuba and Cuba is complaining that 4 of them have been arrested they say that they were being persecuted for being Cubans in a moment where the government is distancing itself from ever more rallies the government says the Cuban doctors who have been arrested were involved in financing and organizing protests so there's a diplomatic spat there and then also the government broke off relations with the close socialist ally or longstanding socialist ally Venezuela so it is extraordinary to see those who have followed Latin American politics for some time to see how close Bolivia and Venezuela were during the days of over Chavez and everyone Alice to see this new government completely severing ties with us Will Grant reporting from. Protests have also erupted across Iran was after the government unexpectedly announced it was rationing petrol and increasing its price and left at least $1.00 person dead is our world affairs correspondent poor atoms across Iran the government's decision to raise petrol prices by at least 50 percent has been met with widespread anger videos posted from Tehran show roads blocked by scores of parked cars as early winter snow falls elsewhere there have been violent scuffles with riot police in the. In western city of Kermanshah the police used water cannon and tear gas to disperse demonstrators and in the central city of Syria John one person died according to the authorities when protesters attempted to set fire to a fuel depo on state television the trouble is being described as the work of saboteurs Iran's prosecutor general has urged people to distance themselves from those he says want to show their hostility towards the entire Islamic system President Rouhani says the government is acting in the public interest and that the money saved by lowering subsidies will be distributed to millions of needy people Iran has some of the most heavily subsidized fuel in the world but in a country where the economy is already reeling after a year and a half of renewed American sanctions these price rises seem like a bitter blow poor Adams. Over the past several months we've been reporting about the internment camps in shyness Shinji young reason where the authorities have detained hundreds of thousands of weekend Muslims Beijing has always tried to downplay allegations of human rights abuses at these detention centers but now the New York Times newspaper has obtained documents leaked from the Chinese Communist Party which paint a chilling picture of the week is the system Matic persecution or stay in Ramsey is the Hong Kong reporter for The New York Times he told the b.b.c. Just how are evading these documents are they use words like punishment throughout and that's something that the authorities never say in public they say that these people have broken the law but they're worried about them possibly having extremist tendencies and so they just want to curb that and help them with job skills and things like that but in these documents you see clearly that these are efforts to punish people. Pacific editor senior Hatten has more on the links on the leaks from Beijing this is John dropping this is one of the most significant leaks from the the highly secretive and very disciplined Communist Party that we've seen in decades this is the 1st time we've had any insight into how the party really thinks about these camps 1st we start with the Chinese leaders c.g. He is quoted in several documents that have been kind of culled from internal speeches that he gave starting in 2014 the 1st speech comes around 2 weeks after an attack in mainland China when we got our Muslim militant stabbed $150.00 people at a train station Mr c. Then gave a speech and he said that really the government should show no mercy it should use all of the organs of the dictatorship he said she to lash back against terrorism and separatism he was really rich. During 2 scene John that's this region in northwest China around 11000000 weaker Muslims live and he wanted to emulate the u.s. War on terror after 911 so basically they're characterizing religious observance just being a Muslim and observing Muslim traditions as terrorism Syria Hassen police in the Czech capital Prague say some 250000 people attended a demonstration on Saturday against the prime minister and his prosecutors recently halted a criminal investigation to claims he defrauded the e.u. Of business subsidies the protest was held on the eve of the 30th anniversary of the fall of communism and demonstrators called for Mr Babis to step down B.B.C.'s Rob Cameron was at the protest and sent this report. Another huge demonstration against the prime minister held at a symbolic time in a symbolic place for the 30th anniversary of the Velvet Revolution and don't let the plain sight of the largest demonstrations of November 1990. But these protests are not against a totalitarian regime but a democratically elected politician the billionaire businessman and now Czech Prime Minister Andrei Babbage the process movement called a 1000000 moments for democracy started by 2 theology students Benjamin roll is one of them we are afraid that we will lose our democracy we see the situation in Hungary in Poland and we see some similar similarities in our country and the biggest problem is that our prime minister is in a huge conflict of interest he has huge influence on one of the biggest company in Chicago public he is misusing So European subsidies and he owns the biggest media house and this is really helped the Under a best categorically denies those allegations and says he can't understand the point of these mass protests now the. Criminal charges have been lifted but a 1000000 moments for democracy has received the cautious support of the student generation of 1909 who see today's student protests as protecting their legacy Shimon panic was one of the main student organizers are also fear that the recent government might have a tendency to cross some of the limits all frames of the constitutional democracy which is not the case yet but I think it's very important to show that the civil society citizens are here and are ready to fight for full fledged functioning them across. Mr Babbitt is riding high in the opinion polls but organizers say it's not enough to vote every 4 years they see themselves as part of the checks and balances that prevents that hard won democracy from being a road it. This Those that live. Reports by Rob Cameron in Prague Fiona has some other stories from our news desk a Hindu temple in southern India has reopened for its annual pilgrimage season but despite a court order women of childbearing age were not allowed to offer prayers their thousands of diva teas attended special prayers at the supper Amala temper in Kerala amid tight security police said around 10 women of menstruating age were stopped 5 kilometers from the temple complex hilltop shrine witness a violent clashes there last year. The French capital Paris has seen the worst confrontations in many months between yellow vests protesters and police it comes one year after the movement's 1st major weekly demonstrations some of the most serious violence took place in a square in the south of the city the plastic but that's now been cleared a small number of the protesters wearing masks threw rocks at police smashed windows and set fire to be a cols Police responded with water cannon and tear gas more than 110 people have been arrested. The United States all this living Olympic gold medalist has died at the age of 96 Harrison Dillard was dubbed the fastest man in the world after winning gold in 100 meters at the 1948 Games in London he won gold again in 1952 and 110 meter hurdles during the 2nd World War Mr Dillard Turgeon Italy as a member of what were called the Buffalo Soldiers an all black division in the then racially segregated u.s. Army and I thank you liken it's that crusty moldy looking stuff often seen on trees or rocks it's a combination of Alki and funky living together almost as if they were one organism either way lichens something scientists have long believed to be some of the 1st organisms to make their way on to land from water until now Newsom's Terry Egan is here Terry what are these scientists found so Alex is late in the studio here and we're relaxed and everything but this takes us back 485000000 years if you're ready for that that's when hardly anything at all lived on land and scientists are interested in exactly how that changed now lichen can live anywhere especially in extreme conditions it grows on bare rocks and compete even break them down and it helps to create the soil needed by complex plants with roots because of that the scientists thought they must have arrived on land before such plants indeed they presumed lichen made its way from water as you said onto land and that was in order to make the environment more hospitable Now Matthew Nelson is the lead author of the report and he explains why there was this belief that's an assumption kind of comes from when we look around modern habitats look at things like rocks. Being some of the 1st colonisers there and that's part of where this idea has come from perhaps. Order in which these rocks are colonized reflects the way systems over time. But now the study calls all that into question Well yes the scientists in the Us were actually looking at that combination of algae and fungus and how it works to make lichen It's a symbiotic relationship and they wanted to determine how and when the like and evolved so they examine the evolutionary history of both those elements now as it stands the early like and fossil record isn't clear but here they delve deep into the d.n.a. Of that fungus and that Al guy and what they found surprised them instead of being older than plants it seems the lie can involve millions of years after complex plants developed so quite a difference yes while the scientists thought that lie can change the planet's atmosphere paving the way for plants turns that theory on its head and they'll have to look at Gannett just how the atmosphere developed and what the process was Terry Egan with that report thank you very much you have been listening to the news room from the b.b.c. World Service plenty more on these stories in the global news podcast which is made by the same team. You're listening to the b.b.c. World Service where Zach Brophy is in Cameroon. That sounds harsh. 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And curator Rita Rae there is so much to be found in Accra and there is so many different genres of music that's being played but as I went around most the music scene still the influenced by high life and high life traveled all over West Africa and influence so much of the music that we hear now b.b.c. News if you want to MacDonald The Duke of York has denied claims by the American Virginia Giuffre that they had sinks when she was 17 Prince Andrew said there were elements of her story which were false and he questioned the authenticity of a photograph of the pair. The billionaire Lebanese businessman and veteran politician Muhammad suffered he has withdrawn his candidacy to be prime minister his nomination by political factions had prompted an angry backlash Lebanon has been paralyzed by weeks of street protests against government corruption the u.n. Human rights chief in China Bacha let says she's worried the situation in Bolivia could spin out of control following the departure of the former president Evo Morales clashes between his supporters and security forces have left at least 9 people dead the British government and armed forces have been accused of covering up illegal killings by British troops in Afghanistan and Iraq the Ministry of Defense said it rejected the son cheated allegations of a pattern of cover ups Iran has warned that the security forces will act to restore order again spreading demonstrations over fuel price rises and rationing the interior minister said police would have to move in if attacks on properties continued. An aide to the by us vice president told congressional committees leading the impeachment inquiry into Donald Trump this phone call to his Ukrainian counterpart had been inappropriate her concerns were echoed in the testimony of a former n.a.c. Official who said he was troubled by Mr Trump's attempt to involve a lot to me ski in u.s. National politics and scientists in the United States a simple drugs like aspirin and lifestyle changes could be as effective as a treatment for stable heart diseases and bees of surgery Researchers say their findings could save hundreds of dollars a year b.b.c. News Hello I'm La Parka Tyree and welcome to music planet's road trip in which we sample the music and culture of different locations around the world from roots based traditional styles to the latest contemporary sounds in this episode we travel to garner with d.j. And curator Rita Ray. Garner on the west coast of Africa once called the Gold Coast known for its wonderful music most of it coming out of a crowd which is right on the south coast but everyone migrates there from all over the country to make money to create music and to to get ahead there is so much to be found in Accra and there is so many different genres of music that's being played but as I went around most the music scene techs still be influenced by high life this wonderful heavy cocktail of African b. It's Caribbean melodies jazz and just plain Zene and has a very unique sound in. The. Hi I traveled all over West Africa and influence so much of the music that we hear now including Afro beat and the very very latest Afro beat I got to talk to 2 amazing young musicians one from the north of Gonna and one from the south who start with Steve from the west of God and he plays an instrument called. The song is playing it's called cool looking and really it's a little history in a little context realizing of where this instrument comes from and what it does what it means in his society I met Steve with his instrument this is. With all of us. With both fists and. A moped did you say yeah I decided to use this. Because everybody use and I want everybody to. Do something like recycle. Ok with everything so you recycling tradition so where usually people use the calabash to make the color go you're using an old gal 19 years and looks wonderful it's orange and white and indeed it is an old and it's 2 strings but in the strings made of. My logs you know I don't strings it's such a great sound and every time I hear music from the Upper East it's that voice is well that very. Very gradually voicing is that typical Yeah because you know everybody in the most part of the world they use my force in practice and course it in funerals and everywhere but in a post you wrote something like Mike to sleep you don't have a Ph d. . In a funeral you need to open up your forest for thousands of people to understand I think that's right what struck me. Stephen those back to his roots with the cool. That you hear of the shepherds as they were tending their flaws here we put in people being buried in all the rites of passage ceremonies that take place but now he's bringing in the 21st century so you will hear guitars and drums and modern productions but right at the heart of it is that very unique sound so cool too. Next we're going to hear an instrument that I discovered fairly recently it's called the separate and when you see it it's this lovely cute looking lute hope it's like the Get me an equivalent of a coup or and it was an instrument that was very popular with the you know the shanties an instrument that was played in all circumstances when the guitar was introduced to goner. Suddenly this instrument lost favor and now there are very very few people who play it and it is really rare to hear it but he has such a lovely sound so thank goodness for Stick around she because he is on a mission to revitalize and bring this wonderful instrument back into Wallace and this track is called history what. Is a high life musician and he uses the separate as the centerpiece of his compositions to bring the instrument up to date when it was originally played it was played as a solo instrument pretty much like the core was but now he's sitting in a a more modern space but he's in that very. High life situation. Yes Probably my favorite female singer from Guyana and she really is high life for her father is the legend that is Pat Thomas who is still kicking it I just recently saw him and I was gobsmacked but his daughter has grown there with this soaked it in and now she's creating her own sounds and getting out there it's a really tricky part for her because you can tell that high life is really in her soul but in order to get played in order. To grow who audience she's really having to look at the new trends and so now when you hear her music you can hear some of what they call from beats in there for me it's a really lovely marriage you know of her delving into her roots but finding her place in contemporary can the music and we'll have a listen to handkerchief and see what you think so we know that I want to. Feel. Any sort of media. You. Get used to mislead you. That you. If you go out. To. Kill. People who are familiar with me and music will always spotlight highlife put the music that was so instrumental the music that really gave it its foundation was Palm One using. One of the great exponents of Com one music in fact did come from inland he was in shanty he is in a shanty he is the absolute king and he's still. Playing and influencing so many people at. The our. Food It is a music that was wanting by the Liberian sailors who traveled around the continent and beyond and it really took hold so this is really the music of the south and then it spread for the north the next person I'm going to play is one that is taking on the battle of palm wine and reading making it relevant in 21st century Ghana and his name is Chichi coo and fact he is an icon but he lives down south and he's really soaked up the music of the South you know the sort of shanty songs the folkloric songs so this is him with his group she told woman which is pepper soup it's a soup that's loved by everybody it is racy it is spicy and it definitely hits the spot this is a track called new cool you . The music that's dominating the airwaves in. West Africa and in fact the continent and beyond is a sound called Afro beats and Afro beats came from hip life and hip life came from high life so once again high life is the bedrock of all the exciting innovations that are going on now and one of the artists in fact I think he's probably my favorite at the moment. Is pulling it all together and making his own unique style Afro beat but you can see where he's coming from is a wonderful young artist called my Hassy. He is the one that most artists he took to will say they want to work with the one who is actually going to break new frontiers but for the last highlight is at the root of all his musical creations I think is that I just want to I was form of music that's going yes we are able to attain to me I think and most of these greats I didn't know them but meeting them and reading about them they schooled for music they play at least it's like they were my steps off of the craft it's not. Like now that I have to you and I could just play some beats it's so so it was. You know cause some guitars to come play something these these people were legends they they made music according to what happened to them their lifestyle they talk about love it's a cop out that they talk about life they talk about people all of them to talk about a lot of things and they sound never fades away because they take a lot of time too to make them and the young ones now are 8 we found things very easy because their software is computer you know you can make those things so the reason why we keep going back is is because when we listen to them we hear things that we know we cannot recreate. So the best thing we can do is to fuse our vibe now with this we need to create something new. This is one life I wore last night this enough for me to take you. Know my recent life so very long nobody ties one life by war Lassie ending our music planet road trip from Ghana with Rita Ray. 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Next on the compass is now over halfway through its 5 part series on the Cold War legacy the effects of the Cold War a manifest in themselves in very different ways all around the world asking how various countries have been affected by modern day echoes of this period in history we've heard from Brazil Indonesia and India in this series the Cold War legacy ends with Angola next week but it began in the former Czechs over Chris Bowlby was the B.B.C.'s former correspondent there and knew the country well. Before Slovakia broke away 30 years ago he returned to Prague to see how the country looks now it was a haunting phrase that life under communism was perfect if you didn't have ambitions to be anything else than you were but there's no doubt the communists and others can exploit today's worries about everything from drug dealing and migration to the stress of everyday life Joining me on the line is the man we just heard presenter Chris Bell b. Hello Chris how are now your program is one of 5 that showed the ramifications of the Cold war on countries all around the growth from Brazil to India what was the remit of your episode The idea was both to mark the 30th anniversary of these extraordinary events but not to simply do it as looking back as if it were a pure bit of history but to see how the history plays out in the present and also to investigate how different generations see it because of course what's fascinating is that we now have an entire generation born after the revolution so we wanted to talk to that generation as well Well joining me on the phone from Williams Lake in Canada is listener Jude Kirk I'm Hello Jude hello So what do you actually think of the program I like the Quite a lot actually I've already heard the 1st 3 of the 5 parts but one thing that leaves out what it means is it's not the locations you normally associate with the cold war like when people think the Cold War and against South America for example it's Cuba I like it terribly parting from the typical are cliches about the Cold War What's your question that you want to ask Chris what would Chris ferry is the most star surprising or unexpected thing he found in the course of our making program one of the very striking things is when we went to particular occasion for the program cloud know an old steel town there was this amazing kind of mix up of the old rusting steel works and some new bits of industry and enterprise there and it all turns out that they've inherited from the communist era an incredibly complicated situation with property there that because the common is just grab things and. And ran things and then disappeared as an ice age of 9 what's happened now is all reverted to a really old form of property ownership and actually Jude I think you have one last question also music used in the program there is some kind of possible piece that is very lovely. Yeah it's wonderful it's by the very famous Czech composer totally smitten are. Thick piece called Marvel asked about my country and this particular tune is about the revolt of our which runs through the center of Prague and runs right next to where there was that giant statue of Stalin in the 1950 s. And 1006 if we talk about the program until it was blown up Chris Bowlby and listener Jude Kirchen in Canada thank you both so much indeed and with that it's time to say goodbye I'm Raj and the producer is Howard Shanon and I'll be back with more of your feedback at the same time next week. This is the b.b.c. 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News I'm Peter Jon Shuler in San Francisco after several days of intense chaos the people of Hong Kong awoke today to relative calm N.P.R.'s Julie McCarthy reports universities have emerged as epicenters of rebellion against the police in the Beijing backed Hong Kong government a growing number of white collar workers have joined the revolt against the government's refusal to respond to the protesters demands that include direct elections and an inquiry into the police handling of the ongoing unrest the shared fear is that Hong Kong's freedoms unique in China are in jeopardy University chiefs Meanwhile criticised at the government's failure to resolve the police protester deadlock on campuses which they say have been occupied by radical protesters who are not students with the global spotlight trained again on Hong Kong Chinese President Xi Jinping has had the priority is to restore order Julie McCarthy n.p.r. News Hong Kong this is n.p.r. . Representatives of more than 24 n.f.l. Teams reportedly plan to attend today's private workout for controversial former n.f.l. Quarterback calling cabinet the league announced the surprise addition earlier this week capital glassed played in the 2016 season when he started kneeling during the national anthem to protest police brutality and social inequality and P.R.'s Tom Goldman has more the private workout meaning no media allowed will take place at the Atlanta Falcons training facility former n.f.l. Head coach Hugh Jackson will lead Caprona through drills the league will send video of the workout and an interview with capper Nick to all $32.00 teams critics of labeled today's event a publicity stunt but sources told e.s.p.n. Teams have contacted the league office about cavern extatic us and the n.f.l. Decided to hold the session so all interested teams could gather at the same time to assess camp or nix readiness in 2017 he filed a grievance alleging teams were colluding to ban him from the n.f.l. Because of his political activism the grievance was settled and reportedly today's session was not part of the settlement Tom Goldman n.p.r. News voting is underway in Louisiana where Governor John Bell Edwards is battling to defy partisan odds and win reelection to a seat that President Trump wants returned to Republicans the race has become a nail biter with no clear favorite the president has made the runoff election between the deep south only Democratic governor and g.o.p. Businessman Eddie respond a test of his own popularity the president has made 3 campaign trips to Louisiana I'm Louise Schiavone n.p.r. News Washington support for n.p.r. Comes from n.p.r. Stations other contributors include the law firm Cooley l.l.p. With offices in the u.s. Europe and Asia Cooley advises entrepreneurs' investors financial institutions and established companies around the world where innovation meets the law. When attorney Carrie Goldberg broke up with her ex he threatened her stalked her and harassed her with intimate pictures 1st she got depressed but then she fought back now fighting online abuse is her career it's so important that victims and survivors have somebody that's on their side we'll talk about her new book about online abuse that's next time on All Things Considered from n.p.r. News all things considered Saturday evening at 5 here on j.p. Are. This is Weekend Edition from n.p.r. News I'm Scott Simon the 1st of the public testimony in the impeachment inquiry this week Roger Stone president trumps political advisor found guilty of all charges 7 federal felonies and last night some explosive reports about a statement made behind closed doors N.P.R.'s senior Washington editor and correspondent Ron Elving joins us Ron thanks for being with us good to be with you Scott and what do we hear about this latest name to join if I may this cast of characters David Holmes David Holmes is a foreign service officer on staff at the u.s. Embassy in Ukraine he testified for 6 hours Friday in a closed door session after those televised open hearings with Ambassador Uganda which Holmes testified that he had direct knowledge of President Trump's attitude and intentions toward Ukraine because he had overheard a phone call back in July between Trump and Gordon Sunderland the ambassador to the European Union know these gentlemen were at a table together in a restaurant and the president was on the phone and apparently so loud that someone held the phone out or wave from his head and it was possible for Holmes and others at the table to hear the conversation and he indicated that and by the way the opening statement that he gave behind closed doors Scott that was obtained 1st by c.n.n. But later confirmed as accurate for n.p.r. By Holmes as lawyer and it indicates Trump was not so concerned about defending Ukraine from Russian incursions that's what the military aid was about but he was very concerned about getting Ukraine to investigate former Vice President Biden giving a boost to troops reelection campaign you thoughtfully left out some very purple language to run he was not excessively concerned actually the ambassador put that much more colorfully Yeah exactly earlier in the week 3 marquee witnesses testified the acting u.s. Ambassador to Ukraine Bill Taylor George can't a State Department official and Marie. You have on a bitch what the public here in learn the public saw and heard 3 exceptionally professional diplomats people who have spent their adult lives in service to their country in difficult posts and the public learned that one of them ambassador Yvonne a bitch lost her job when she ran afoul of Rudy Giuliani and some of his cohorts the former New York City mayor who is now Trump's personal attorney was in Ukraine and spreading stories about her and the public learned the extent of President Trump's campaign to discredit the Bidens and to suggest that Ukraine and not Russia was responsible for interfering in the 2016 election and the president tweeted during and after given of it is testimony let's hear how she reacted when asked about it in a what I'll call a marquee moment by House Intelligence chairman Adam Schiff and now the president real time is attacking you. Effect do you think that has on the other witnesses willingness to come forward. And expose wrongdoing. It's very intimidating. Ron does it set a tone for the 8 witnesses were expected to hear from next week. It may it may be the trump strategy at this point to trash the witnesses in real time but it may also set a standard for response as modeled by the ambassador we saw yesterday and if it does it will be another case of the president defining the terms of debate via Twitter and thereby setting the rules for all the discourse and the debate that follows but it also shows people how to resist half a minute we have left Roger Stone convicted of lying to Congress witness tampering obstruction of justice would anyone be surprised if he was pardoned this weekend. Well it's this weekend might be a bit abrupt after all the president has not pardoned any of his other former associates who have been convicted of lying and lying for him by the Moeller team but judging by the lack of a vigorous defense in this case it would seem that someone was counting on a pardon n.p.r. Senior Washington editor and correspondent Ron Elving thanks so much thank you Scott. Another volatile week in Hong Kong one day mourning a student who died in circumstances that are uncertain another day exploding in the worst violence in 5 and a half months N.P.R.'s Julie McCarthy has spent the past week covering developments in Hong Kong and has this Reporter's Notebook protests begun in June with peaceful demands for more democracy by mid November have turned perilous reminds us why why are. The us stunned reporter narrates as a policeman shoots a masked activist Monday outraging Hong Kong the 21 year old lies in the hospital with serious injuries a 57 year old is in critical condition after he was set on fire for opposing the protests life hangs on a thread in Hong Kong No one knows what will happen when they venture out to protests now protesters have embraced violent tactics in response to brutal police practices the. The crowds this week taunted the black clad policeman outfitted with riot shields and tear gas 2 young women huddled in a doorway sneak a worried peek one of them who chose not to be named for fear of reprisal says the people are massing because day to day dangers seem to be growing I'm just feeling the police in companies out of control they totally is not following the Hong Kong route and the basic law. Bullying Hong Kong people do you sense that things are getting worse I think so. Until people get the real democracy and real freedom this week riot police advanced on Chinese university reputed to be Hong Kong's most radical police accused to the students of throwing bricks and debris from a bridge to block a highway below the. It is believed to be the 1st time the police fired tear gas into a campus students silhouetted against fires igniting around them refused to retreat . They ruled Molotov cocktails and raid arrows down on the police from their perch above once a haven school grounds are now battlegrounds worried by the downward spiral administrators ended the semester early police chased suspected protesters into the basement of the Holy Cross Church this week beating them as they barged to past parishioners of. The parish said since the start of protests it has been a sanctuary and condemned the police for using what it called excessive force entering the church in Hong Kong customs and traditions are now casualties of the ongoing unrest student protesters talk openly about dying in this movement. Thousands of homeowners grieved last weekend in vigils for student Chelsea look he suffered fatal brain injuries from a fall in a car park near the scene of protests. Graduated a year ahead of Cho recalling Chiles youth and education so similar to his own begins to sob a bit. China is our hands and feet he said a reference to the intimate connection people inside the protest movement feel for one another many Hong Kong or is it mid to being overwhelmed by the magnitude of events and the uncertainty that hangs over Hong Kong pro-democracy protesters and the Hong Kong government backed by Beijing have intractable differences. In the. Phoebe as she chose to be identified leads a lunchtime protest in chants of fight for freedom she says no one knows what lies ahead but the protesters must not deviate from their convictions whether or not it is up to the crisis continue we have no choice but to continue and that is why we still come out while we don't have with divisions deepening the stakes for coming out or growing ever higher Julie McCarthy n.p.r. News Hong Kong. Apple has removed $181.00 apps related to vaporing from its App Store the company says it's concerned about growing evidence of the health risks of e. Cigarettes especially to young people N.P.R.'s tech correspondent Shannon Bond has more they ping is on the rise and so are smartphone apps connected to Isa Gretz you can buy actual bathing products on the App Store but these apps allow people to interact with their isa Gretz they can make them hotter or change the color they light up if someone loses a bait pen an app can help or find it and vaporise can talk to each other on dedicated social networks it's one of the ways that the industry has made this product uniquely appealing to teenagers and young adults Matthew Myers is president of the Campaign for Tobacco Free Kids which has been urging tech companies to ban videos pictures and apps related to the availability of apps as well as social media and I line sales and u 2 is one of the key contributors to the perception of young people that these products are safe that they're cool and it is something that young people should be doing for Miers and other public health advocates Apple's ban is a big victory in explaining its decision the company pointed to mounting evidence that they ping is harmful to health. It said babying is quote a public health crisis and a youth epidemic citing the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention and the American Heart Association Apple says it's particularly concerned about its youngest customers more than a quarter of u.s. High school students said they've in the past month according to a recent government survey the v.a. Pen Company packs makes an app that lets users lock their vait pens controlled temperature and flavor but it's no longer available in the App Store packs declined to comment on Apple's ban for people who have already downloaded the banned apps to their i Phones they'll still be able to use them and can move the apps to new devices and that means young people will also still be able to use these smartphone apps if they already have them Shannon bond News San Francisco. And you're listening to n.p.r. News. 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Paul Brown reports this will be the 3rd and final governor's race decided in 2019 all 3 in states that elected Trump by large margins in 2016 and all 3 were visited by the embattled president who could use a win ahead of his 2020 bid for reelection polls in the state show Governor Edwards a Democrat leading by a razor thin margin Trump is hoping he can change that and you have a chance to elect a true Louisiana champion Eddie respond to real success. How to get it you got to get 2 weeks ago a Republican won the open seat in the Mississippi governor's mansion but in Kentucky a Democrat ousted Republican incumbent Matt Bevan as Trump reminded the crowd during his visit to Louisiana this week that he lost by just a few 1000 votes in the headlines the next day trip to gloss a lift him up. So comfortable so you got to give me a big reason. Ok judging by the latest Republican messages I would say they're a little bit worried the volume in the tenor went way up very quickly Jennifer Duffy is senior editor at The Cook Political Report she says after Kentucky Trump and Republicans want to stop the bleeding with a win in the easy Ana and they're willing to pay big money to do it respond a long time power donor to Louisiana Republicans has seen a significant increase in contributions since they want to spot the runoff and the Baton Rouge businessman has loaned his own campaign more than $12000000.00 so far he is flooding the airwaves with campaign ads linking himself to President Trump Louisiana state universe. Political science professor Robert Hogan says that could pay off this is a state where politicians are our form of entertainment if you will and so they like the idea of the outsider that's why that a businessman like Trump who's never run for office before did so well in the election Edwards is on pace to spend just as much money as this Republican opponent but the incumbent has taken a decidedly different approach he has desperately tried to steer the discussion in the race away from national politics and downplay his party affiliation he is not a typical Democrat and he can't be in a state like Louisiana Edwards is an unwavering supporter of gun rights and in May He signed one of the strictest anti-abortion laws in the country he's not going to give a lot of ground on social issues that's Mike Henderson also of the ways and a state university so he's going to talk about surpluses he's going to talk about budget stability and he's going to talk about Medicaid expansion as no more people are covered it all hinges on who shows up today overall elections officials are predicting the largest turnout for a governor's race in years Jennifer Duffy with Cook Political says at this point anything could happen Republicans had to pull for the 3 governors' races on the ballot they wanted a clean sweep so a 2nd term for Edwards would be a particularly bitter pill for a president who had so much invested in this year's elections and could leave Democrats and Republicans alike speculating on what that might mean for Trump's odds in 2020 for n.p.r. News I'm Paul Braun in Baton Rouge. Just last month the World Health Organization announced that 2 of 3 strains of polio had been eradicated in one of the great success stories of modern medicine. The disease which of course can lead to paralysis has been reduced to just a handful of cases around the world but now scientists say there's been a troubling setback one of the vaccines used to prevent polio has actually been causing some people to get polio N.P.R.'s Jason Beaubien joins us now Jason thanks for being with us Hey good morning I understand the problem begins with what's called a live vaccine which has little bits of we can polio virus in it given to children around the world what seems to have gone wrong. Yes it that is the crux of it that this the oral polio vaccine that's used primarily in low and middle income countries it's been the work course of this global effort to eradicate polio but it is a live Maxine it's cheap it's easy to administer However this live vaccine is continue to be used worldwide and while you're doing that some of that vaccine has gotten out into the world and it's mutated it starts circulating again just like regular polio but early on it's just it's still a vaccine it's not dangerous and then slowly it sort of regain strength and they're finding they can actually genetically see this scientists can they can actually trace it back directly to the vaccine and now these vaccine link cases are actually causing more cases of paralysis each year than actual traditional what scientists call wild polio Now we should underscore Jason this is not the version of the vaccine that's given to youngsters in the United States why are other countries still using right so in the United States and in Europe and other countries like that we're using an injectable vaccine which is a dead vaccine it is not a live virus and it cannot cause polio so that it should not at all be a concern that the issue however is that it's an injection that has to be given it's given 4 times between the ages of 2 months and 7 years so just the administering it is is difficult and just frankly there is not enough global stockpile of that vaccine to vaccinate all of the children around the world you know 4 times over the course of their childhood so there's some real up problems with that that ultimately would be the goal is to Ventura get to the point where you're not using your polio vaccine but it's not logistically possible at this point you learn the. Suite the Centers for Disease Control takes this problem so seriously they're actually sending dozens of experts to these countries affected what do they plan to do yeah they're calling it the surge and they're going to be deploying 275 and 100 extra staff from the c.d.c. Out it primarily into Africa to to try to just address these vaccine derived outbreaks and just clamping down as soon as they can because the idea is that if you can stop them then you will stop that virus from continuing to spread and really try to strengthen these systems so that they can get control of this and hopefully you know get get rid of this other source of polio at a time when they're analyzing only close to actually wiping out the disease N.P.R.'s Jason Beaubien thanks so much You're welcome. Mikhail Khodorkovsky has been an oil oligarch and a prisoner the richest man in Russia and a man in exile in London the new documentary citizen k. Written and directed by Alex Gibney shows how a man who was once a Russian state emblem of capitalist success ran a follow Vladimir Putin and became a dissident and human rights champion. But is he still ruthless in pursuing his own ends Alex gave me he's also made the films and the smartest guys in the room and going Clear Scientology in the prison of beliefs joins us from New York thanks so much for being with us thanks Scott good to be with you so how did citizen k. As he's called in this film and Vladimir Putin 2 powerful men who had every reason to get along become adversaries Well they had ever rather different view of Russia's future and at one point in a famously televised conversation about corruption in Russia Mikhail Khodorkovsky frontally accused Lattimer Putin of corruption a few months later he found himself in a Siberian prison tech aspect to the Russia the 1990 s. If you could how did Khodorkovsky grow so rich Well it was a wild west period I mean we all remember Gorbachev and Yeltsin on the tank but once Yeltsin got off the tank and Russia started to rebuild itself as a country not an empire that was no longer communist but now capitalist they had to invent capitalism nobody knew anything about it in fact it had been illegal because out of Kosky started dealing in and black market blue jeans and computers and right around that time the Russian state was handing out vouchers which were actually shares in small state owned enterprises that everybody could grab ahold of the market value was so like 3040 bucks but they were suppose if you hung on to them long enough it's said you could buy yourself a vulgar or a Russian car but most people didn't know what to do with them they had no idea what capitalism was like but somebody like me because ski figured out you could buy him on the cheap and the next thing you knew you owned a whole bunch of shares controlling shares in small Russian state owned enterprises and suddenly he became enormously wealthy one of these Russian all of arcs as they call them a tiny number of people who by the end of the ninety's would control 50 percent of Russia's economy to 200 cuffs to begin to question the system in which he'd been so supreme a successful. I think initially he saw it as a game and he was good at the game and he was rather ruthless I should say at playing that game but along the way particularly when the ruble dropped through the floor and so did the price of oil he came to own a globe girdling company called Yukos which was an oil company suddenly he found himself in a desperate situation where was having to lay off thousands of people and he was face to face with the misery that can come when things go wrong I know this was covered at the time to one degree or another but it's quite a thing to see the the film of his trial in this film was his trial fare. Well particularly the 2nd trial was really a joke it was a show trial I mean they accused him of stealing all of the oil that he own and this was after they had accused him of not paying taxes on the oil that he sold so you'd have to wonder how he could steal the oil that he had sold and not pay taxes on and they brought evidence to the trial of things like a conspiracy in the evidence of the conspiracy was a company phone book so it gives you some sense of how ridiculous the trial was it was a complete sham he learned he was going to be sent to prison as far away as you can by counting the number of lunch trays that were in the boxcar in which he traveled they give you one per day and I believe he was handed 7 men it was going to be a 7 day journey by train he ended up in cross in a comments which is near a big uranium mine by the Mongolian border so he was quite a ways away from Moscow. In prison this man who'd been an oligarch really seem to develop character. I think he learned a degree of humanity and he learned a kind of broader vision of life I mean among his prison writings he said you know I learned that life is not about having It's about being you know it was it was really a show of somebody who was try to see things from the inside out it turned his whole worldview upside down I think and he became much more in touch with what it means to be a human being a citizen it must be said you use spoke with a few people who deeply believe and be Carol Khodorkovsky had people killed when he was no oligarch at least one person indeed Well there was a we spent a great deal of time investigating the murder of nephew dance this town in Siberia to which we travel today Mikhail Khodorkovsky cannot go back to Russia because he is accused of ordering the murder of that mayor who was back in the day in the ninety's adverse the Holocaust ski we investigated pretty carefully I don't really think that holocaust in fact that I'm fairly certain that holocaust did not order that murder because ski today is in London he is he's in London today he operates a something called Open Russia which is dedicated to promulgating Democratic ideas in Russia and also supports a number of journalistic efforts to show the details of corruption in the regime I wonder if in the end you trust what he told you I think the big question is did he really have a change of heart in prison I think everybody wants to tell their own story their way into shaded in a direction that benefits them but in the case of Holocaust I do believe he changed . And while he is still possessed of a sense of revenge I think toward Putin and while I think he still possesses the mindset of somebody who's been very rich and powerful I also think he understood in prison what it means to be a citizen and what it means to be a citizen without power and I think he feels fiercely that that is a system that has to change so that part I think I do believe and I do believe he changed Alex Gibney his documentary citizen k. Oprah 2 of em the 22nd in Los Angeles thanks so much for being with us thank you Scott. You're listening to Weekend Edition from n.p.r. News. We're not sure if they ever tested him on Babylonia as Top Chef but a trio of 4000 year old recipes have been deciphered by a team of international scholars their cookbook are some Babylonian tablets that were 1st discovered in the 1920 s. And thirty's but were not properly translated until the end of the century Harvard Assyria ologist goto bar Yama ditch put together the cooking t.v. Joins us on the line Dr Barnhelm of x. Thanks very much for being with us my pleasure What do you got in the oven for us said 3 stews at the moment one is a peach soon one is a vegetarian and the final one has a laminate Can you give us an idea of what's in the stews the area that is today Syria Iraq and Turkey our ancestral so many of the ingredients that we use in our cooking today and something about 60 percent of the calories that you will have been eating over the last 254 hours I think will have come from the tribbles or animals that were 1st domesticated in this area. Why have these recipes taken so long to come to light well. People don't expect ancient texts to be food recipes they were known since Yeah the 1920 s. Really but were thought to be perhaps medical texts and stuff like that and it was really only Mary Hasi a scholar from Connecticut who suggested that there might be recipes and people really didn't believe her until a French author scholar in the 980 s. Was asked to write and Cyclopedia article about cooking in the ancient world he had heard about this rumor that they might be recipe so he went to Yale and found out that they were and of course being a Frenchman he started working on the. Show Have you ever tasted any of the recipes Yes I've cooked these many times now and. The big difference between our French colleague who bought all and the way that he could handle these texts in the eighty's and now is that we have a somewhat greater knowledge of 1st of all the ingredients listed in the text themselves we quite simply understand many of the words matter that he did but secondly and more importantly we are working together as a team and he worked alone. Are they good yes they are I would say some of them which is interesting Lee a conclusion that is different from our French colleague he privately acknowledge that he didn't really like much of the food that he was cooking but it has something to do with his cultural background of the fact that our recipes are a little bit different and have moved on little bit I guess an open question. It's not as foreign as you might imagine and there are some basic elements that we share with this kind of cooking and there are certain aspects of the human palate which are not going to change which biological remain the same any big name chefs express an interest in making the recipes or putting them into restaurants need name no small name yes all over the place there are lots of people who are contacting me these days and and asking whether you know one would be interested in collaborating on having this presented in a restaurant so red or white. I get it these people are beer people in fact lots of the recipes contain beer the Assyrians would have had one with the food I think. The best of the stews we were getting is a red beets too and it has a nice sour beer in it good kabar gram of it shews Harvard a cereal I just thank so much for being with us and going up petite thank you and my pleasure this is n.p.r. News. Support for Jefferson Public Radio comes from our listeners and from Ashland State Farm agent John Snowdon John Snowden is passionate about helping people build safe and secure futures with insurance and financial services designed to meet the unique needs of today's families like a good neighbor State Farm is there. Ashlan State Farm agent John Snowdon located on the corner of Bridge and Siskiyou across from s.o.u. And by phone at 541-482-2461 online John Snowden dot com. 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Howard thanks so much for being with us and good morning Scott how are you I'm fine thanks but you're in Atlanta my friend for the Collin Kaepernick workout today he's been out of football for 3 years reach an agreement as clues in case against the n.f.l. He still really wants to play n.f.l. Football I guess does me well that's what it appears to be there have been so many questions that people have asked about this tryout from the Collin Kaplan Exide Why is he doing this after 3 years in a collision lawsuit and lots of humiliation and insults from the president and why would he do this and I think the bottom line is not very complicated I think it's very clear this is his profession he wants to play football this is not been a 2 way relationship in terms of the n.f.l. He's always been very clear that he wanted to play in the n.f.l. And the n.f.l. Also made it clear that they didn't want him so it makes sense that given the opportunity to play he would come and say he was ready you're there to cover the event for e.s.p.n. As only you can my friend but is it a real workout Well it's going to be a great question and I think that you have to take it somewhat at face value even though it's completely unorthodox usually when you bring in a player the teams don't call the n.f.l. The n.f.l. Doesn't set up the workout usually the team calls the player directly and that player comes directly to that team's facility and usually they don't do it on a Saturday before a game day when a lot of the coaches are preparing for a game tomorrow and the scouts in g M's are preparing for a game but on the other hand this is the 1st time since Collin Cavanagh last through a football in the n.f.l. Back on January 1st 27 team that he is going to throw a football in front of a live n.f.l. Personnel. Have to ask about a brutal scene in Thursday night's game between Cleveland Browns and the Pittsburgh Steelers end of the game Myles Garrett the defensive end ripped the helmet off the state of quarterback mation Rudolph took that helmet and clubbed him in the head he's been suspended by the n.f.l. For the rest of the season is that enough I mean even by the standards of n.f.l. Football this was ugly even a criminal act it certainly was I don't know if it's a criminal act it looked it looked awful I think what Ball criminal act oh well you know it's funny about that Scott not really funny in terms of hilarity obviously but one when you watch the play Rudolph 1st tries to rip garrets helmet off and he doesn't succeed so then Garrett gives him a taste of his own medicine by actually succeeding and then going the extra step of hitting him in the face with it on the side of the head with it but I think that what I found most interesting about this too was one that Rudolph so far as face no discipline at all. Not even a fine yet but the other part of it too is that the n.f.l. In terms of all of its violence in terms of all of its hits the reason why this was so out of bounds was because Garrett used the helmet as a weapon but the actual hitting the actual game is still so violent that it's not even the worst hit we've seen it's just simply one of the most illegal things that we've seen in the game but in terms of actual viciousness there are so many things that take place inside of those 60 Minutes will be very interesting to see how the n.f.l. Decides he's already gone for the final 6 games of the season but the suspension is indefinite they may bring this into next season as well E.S.P.N.'s Howard Bryant thanks so much thank you and tune into Weekend Edition Sunday with Lulu tomorrow to hear how the Swiss government is backtracking from a proposal to stop stockpiling coffee they have stockpiled 3 months supply of coffee along with other necessities like corn rice wheat and cd's of b.j. Lederman that he writes Our theme music but when the government proposed nixing coffee from that list the response from the coffee lobby was positively caffeinated tune in tomorrow by asking your smart speaker to play n.p.r. Or your member station by name. William d. Lopez his book separated examines the ripples that pulls away from a single event never felt for years really for whole lives on a Thursday in November of 2013 Guadalupe Morales her sister in law and their 4 young children were in their small apartment above an auto body shop in Washington or County Michigan when a swat team bearing assault rifles stormed the room it was a coordinated raid between the Immigration and Customs Enforcement agents ice and local police they threw tear gas they knocked on doors and made children scream. Well you know the Lopez is a clinical assistant professor at the University of Michigan School of Public Health His book is separated family and community in the aftermath of an immigration raid he joins us from the studios of Michigan Radio Nan Arbor Professor thank you for being with us thank you so much for having me we should note that this raid was routine business and to be fair under the previous administration not Donald Trump that is correct that is under the previous administration for our area this was probably a particularly big raid right altogether we see perhaps a dozen men were arrested and perhaps a half a dozen were ultimately deported so it was a big event that lasted also all day long so it really sent some shock waves and as you mentioned this definitely occurred during the Obama administration but what we do see Jerry in the Trump administration is something we didn't see during Obama's tenure and that's a return to these large scale work raids so this is often about creating this climate of fear and fear of the unknown help us understand the representations and you write about them too obviously got a loop in morale or sent her family but also people around her and washed not County for that matter kind of the easiest way to wrap her head around it is to think about. What happened to where the loop is life after her brother in this case and the uncle was removed and so on the uncle was the breadwinner for the family so immediately she had to begin working to generate income for her family for children right. So from this from this remove all of a provider for breadwinner x. And many many other circumstances hunger poverty possible homelessness and she was homeless after the raid there was an organization who are into the hotel for her to stay in after the raid. And then we see just the emotional and psychological repercussions not only of your husband your brother your cousin and your uncle being deported but often of your father being deported right so we see children who the men in their lives are removed and not only the providers but also their emotional support but then on the community level what we also see is folks who begin to distrust social service organizations right then there's this tension of like can I trust the police if I'm this particular race or from this particular immigration status and moreover there's a question of can I trust other government organizations can I trust even local clinics with my immigration status information you wound up being able to trace the ripple effects of this of this 2013 raid to about 20 little over over 20 people didn't you so that's correct I spoke with many of the individuals who were directly impacted by the raid I mean they were arrested in the morning or they were in the building when it was raided and then I spoke with their family members and they spoke with representatives from social service organizations who support them it's a good point that after immigration enforcement events like this sometimes it's hard to say where folks end up and how many people are deported and how many people are removed. It has this trauma and then this aura of mystery right so folks scatter folks don't want to be around the places where they think ice and police are going to arrest more people help us know what you can about where God loping and her family members are today. You know like many folks after the deportation of somebody they know and somebody they depend on life kind of goes up in the air for awhile right but then eventually you know as we often see there comes a time where either folks go back to work or they decide to go back to Mexico that's what but now they're decided so Fernandez something goes wife after he was deported she just didn't have the income to take care of her 2 young kids and she was extremely traumatized by the event she would talk about how she had nightmares and couldn't sleep and felt like she couldn't be a good mother anymore and where the low pay as well as many others in the book moved and that's one of the main points I took away from this work is that the raid happens arrests happen deportation happens on one day during the year right but it's the other 364 days are fundamentally shaped by that one event we fear the traumatic event and we fear the removeable and she lives every day when you know with that possibility of what could happen William de Lopez his book separated thank you so much for being with us thank you for having me Mary Louise Parker is in our studios she's drawing rave reviews for her central role in Adam raps to character drama the sound inside she plays Bella the mid fifty's English prophet jail who goes from a gray room to her grey office lighten mostly by literature and it gets a crisis of a medical diagnosis just as Christopher played by Will Hawkman shows up at her door for guidance he's a freshman writing a novel she feels she needs the most intimate form of assistance it's not what you may think a sound inside is directed by David Cromer earlier which Parker thanks so much for being with us thank you for having me. This is a tough but rewarding night. In the theater why did you want me Bill why didn't 1st I wasn't sure I was the right person for it but I thought it was such a beautiful piece of writing and I did a reading of it I don't know the she was very available to me I feel like she was there in a way that I wasn't really expecting. Just below the most enjoyable to live in her head I think she does yeah my friend Eli is a writer he says you know interesting writing is the product of interesting thinking and I think that's where she lives in between that space between her imagination and the page and I think that's the strongest and most important relationship she has at one point Christopher the young man says you don't want you have any friends yeah. I think it's a bit overstated in that moment but I think what's more important is that he hits a nerve that has a kernel of truth in it I don't think she feels terribly close to anyone really well that raises another question that I had written down or are they lonely were they merely alone I think in this case I think they are lonely I feel like when they do find some sort of safe place in one another or some sort of free form of communication there's an energy that is released from both of them the sort of like this need to pursue that if they hadn't been in some form of self isolation and then found someone they wanted you know as company then they wouldn't necessarily be lonely I think they would just be happy with their solitude. Real nuts and bolts question. You were on stage for the entire play than talking for I don't know 80 percent of it yeah how hard is it to pull off every night. It's quite hard us but I can I really I love a challenge like that and I used to say I liked to be on stage the whole play because then I knew I would not miss an entrance. And I spent most of the plays that I've done I've been like that. This part requires a lot of technique. And most requires that because I don't want you to see the technique I want you to feel like there's a person standing there talking just just talking. And that's the hardest thing and it's is the challenge that I love actually let me ask you a little more about Christopher he. Is it fair to say that Christopher is a little bit or well I think he's wildly insecure and which usually most arrogant people are and I think he wants to impress her you quickly get a sense that there's some kind of bond of communication between them they both tell each other now you're writing the right the difference between talking and ready Right exactly exactly and both of them will say the wrong thing and the other one even if they have a reaction they move past it and he has an incredibly. Interesting way of expressing himself and I think that's the 1st thing that she notices and it's the thing that takes her in the most he's writing as he's speaking and she can hear that. Without giving anything away Bella has Christopher for an extraordinary favor Yes I'm not sure favor is the word but I couldn't come up with that I know it's hard and I think better and for the 1st time. I found myself disliking Bella thinking my gosh your teacher a great you shouldn't ask this agreed Yeah I understand where she's coming from and why I still think it's I think it's the wrong choice and I still think it's a flaw but you know it's impossible to play a person without flaws Yeah I'm glad to hear you say that because I haven't really heard people sort of acknowledge that. The middle like not the conversation briefly . Though maybe not. Is there something you did on your way here that would surprise people a job of some kind or oh yeah I had all kinds of jobs like all kinds of jobs I did telemarketing surveys I handed out perfume samples in the mall with a basket of cotton balls I remember the name of the perfume if you can believe it Gerald Flora Donica do you take something from each of those jobs and. As you go forward as an actor each of those experiences not the job I don't know I mean I think everyone should have to work a variety of different jobs because I think you know people don't some as people approach. You know the person who delivers their groceries or the person who's taking their order and as there are some other phylum So the person handing to that perfume sample could win a Tony one day it well don't you think that I didn't there are that's not a way when I would look around at people and I think that person is might be a 1000000 times more talented than me at x.y.z. There's this wonderful book called The short and tragic life of Robert piece by Jeff Hobbs it's a really profound book and for me. That's what I took away from that book is that you have no idea of someone's capacity when you encounter them. Mary Louise Parker stars in the sound inside with Will Hawkman Studio 54 theater thanks so much for being with us thank you thank you so much. 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I'm Scott Simon the House Intelligence Committee open impeachment hearings this week one of the many dramatic moments very of on a former u.s. Ambassador to Ukraine recalled.
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News I'm Peter Jon Schiller in San Francisco after several days of intense chaos the people of Hong Kong awoke today to relative calm and P.R.'s Julie McCarthy reports universities have emerged as epicenters of rebellion against the police in the Beijing backed Hong Kong government a growing number of white collar workers have joined the revolt against the government's refusal to respond to the protesters demands they include direct elections and an inquiry into the police handling of the ongoing unrest the shared fear is that Hong Kong's freedoms unique in China are in jeopardy University chiefs Meanwhile criticised at the government's failure to resolve the police protester deadlock on campuses which they say have been occupied by radical protesters who are not students with the global spotlight trained again on Hong Kong Chinese President Xi Jinping has had the priority is to restore order Julie McCarthy n.p.r. News Hong Kong this is n.p.r. . Representatives of more than 24 n.f.l. Teams reportedly plan to attend today's private workout for controversial former n.f.l. Quarterback Collin capper Nick the league announced the surprise addition earlier this week capital class played in the 2016 season when he started kneeling during the national anthem to protest police brutality and social inequality and P.R.'s Tom Goldman has more the private workout meaning no media allowed will take place at the Atlanta Falcons training facility former n.f.l. Head coach Hugh Jackson will lead Caprona through drills the league will send video of the workout and an interview with capper Nick to all $32.00 teams critics of labeled today's event a publicity stunt but sources told e.s.p.n. Teams have contacted the league office about Cameron extatic us and the n.f.l. Decided to hold the session so all interested teams could gather at the same time to assess camp or nix readiness in 2017 he filed a grievance alleging teams were colluding to ban him from the n.f.l. Because of his political activism the grievance was settled and reportedly today's session was not part of the settlement Tom Goldman n.p.r. News voting is underway in Louisiana where Governor John Bell Edwards is battling to defy partisan odds and win reelection to a seat that President Trump wants returned to Republicans the race has become a nail biter with no clear favorite the president has made the runoff election between the deep south only Democratic governor and g.o.p. Businessman Eddie respond a test of his own popularity the president has made 3 campaign trips to Louisiana I'm Louise Schiavone n.p.r. News Washington support for n.p.r. Comes from n.p.r. Stations other contributors include the law firm who only l.l.p. With offices in the u.s. Europe and Asia Cooley advises entrepreneurs' investors financial institutions and established companies around the world where innovation meets the law. And this week's wait wait don't tell me we marvel at the televised impeachment hearings seriously who ever thought Donald Trump would be on a trial show and it wouldn't be. Special Victims. Will join us as we. National t.v. Show will check in with Senator Tim Kaine join us for The News Quiz from n.p.r. . This is Weekend Edition from n.p.r. News I'm Scott Simon the 1st of the public testimony in the impeachment inquiry this week Roger Stone president terms political advisor found guilty of all charges 7 federal felonies and last night some explosive reports about a statement made behind closed doors N.P.R.'s senior Washington editor and correspondent Ron Elving joins us Ron thanks for being with us good to be with you Scott and what do we hear about this latest name to join if I may this cast of characters David Holmes David Holmes is a foreign service officer on staff at the u.s. Embassy in Ukraine he testified for 6 hours Friday in a closed door session after those televised open hearings with Ambassador Uganda which almost testified that he had direct knowledge of President Trump's attitude and intentions toward Ukraine because he had overheard a phone call back in July between Trump and Gordon Sandlin the ambassador to the European Union know these gentlemen were at a table together in a restaurant and the president was on the phone and apparently so loud that someone held the phone out or way from his head and it was possible for homes and others at the table to hear the conversation and he indicated that and by the way the opening statement that he gave behind closed doors Scott that was obtained 1st by c.n.n. But later confirmed as accurate for n.p.r. By Holmes as lawyer and it indicates Trump was not so concerned about defending your Crane from Russian incursions that's what the military aid was about but he was very concerned about getting Ukraine to investigate former Vice President Biden giving a boost to troops reelection campaign you thoughtfully left out some very purple language to run he was not excessively concerned actually the ambassador put that much more colorfully Yeah exactly earlier in the week 3 marquee witnesses testified the acting u.s. Ambassador to Ukraine Bill Taylor George can't stay to par. An official and Marie Ivanovitch what the public here in learn the public saw and heard 3 exceptionally professional diplomats people who have spent their adult lives in service to their country in difficult posts and the public learned that one of them about 3 Yvonne a bitch lost her job when she ran afoul of Rudy Giuliani and some of his cohorts the former New York City mayor who is now Trump's personal attorney was in Ukraine and spreading stories about her and the public learned the extent of President Trump's campaign to discredit the Bidens and to suggest that Ukraine and not Russia was responsible for interfering in the 2016 election and the president tweeted during a baster given of it as testimony let's hear how she reacted when asked about it in a what I'll call a marquee moment by House Intelligence chairman Adam Schiff. And now the present real time is attacking you. Effect do you think that has on the other witnesses willingness to come forward. Expose wrongdoing. It's very intimidating. Ron does it set a tone for the 8 witnesses were expected to hear from next week it may it may be the trump strategy at this point to trash the witnesses in real time but it may also set a standard for response as modeled by the ambassador we saw yesterday and if it does it will be another case of the president defining the terms of the debate via Twitter and thereby setting the rules for all the discourse in the debate that follows but it also shows people how to resist half a minute we have left Roger Stone convicted of lying to Congress witness tampering obstruction of justice would anyone be surprised if he was pardoned this week and. Well it's this weekend might be a bit abrupt after all the president has not pardoned any of his other former associates who have been convicted of lying and lying for him by the Moeller team but judging by the lack of a vigorous defense in this case it would seem that someone was counting on a pardon n.p.r. Senior Washington editor and correspondent Ron Elving thanks so much thank you Scott. Another volatile week in Hong Kong one day mourning a student who died in circumstances that are unsure another day exploding in the worst violence in 5 and a half months N.P.R.'s Julie McCarthy has spent the past week covering developments in Hong Kong and has this Reporter's Notebook protests begun in June with peaceful demands for more democracy by mid November have turned perilous for money. By Allah. Follow a stunned reporter narrates as a policeman's shoes a mask activist Monday outraging Hong Kong the 21 year old lies in the hospital with serious injuries a 57 year old is in critical condition after he was set on fire for opposing the protests life hangs on a thread in Hong Kong No one knows what will happen when they venture out to protests now protesters have embraced violent tactics in response to brutal police practices the. Crowds this week taunted the black clad policemen outfitted with riot shields and tear gas 2 young women huddled in a doorway sneak a worried peek one of them who chose not to be named for fear of reprisal says the people are massing because day to day dangers seem to be growing I'm just feeling the police in Hong Kong he's all of control they call Italy is not following the Hong Kong route and the basic law. Only in Hong Kong people do you sense that things are getting worse I think so. Until people get the real democracy and real freedom this week riot police advanced on Chinese university reputed to be Hong Kong's most radical police accused to the students of throwing bricks and debris from a bridge to block a highway below. It is believed to be the 1st time the police fired tear gas into a campus students silhouetted against fires igniting around them refused to retreat . They hurled Molotov cocktails and read arrows down on the police from their perch above the ones I haven school grounds are now battlegrounds worried by the downward spiral administrators ended the semester early police chased suspected protesters into the basement of the Holy Cross Church this week beating them as they barred the past Orisha enters. Parish said since the start of protests it has been a sanctuary and condemned the police for using what it called excessive force entering the church in Hong Kong customs and traditions are now casualties of the ongoing unrest student protesters talk openly about dying in this movement. Thousands of Hong Kong there is grieved last weekend in vigils for student Chelsea luck he suffered fatal brain injuries from a fall in a car park near the scene of protests began Keown graduated a year ahead of child recalling Chiles youth and education so similar to his own begins to sob. China is our hands and feet he said a reference to the intimate connection people inside the protest movement feel for one another many Hong Kong or is it mid to being overwhelmed by the magnitude of events and the uncertainty that hangs over Hong Kong pro-democracy protesters and the Hong Kong government backed by Beijing have intractable differences. Phoebe as she chose to be identified leads a lunchtime protest in chance of the fight for freedom she says no one knows what lies ahead but the protesters must not deviate from their convictions whether or not it is optimistic for us to continue we have no choice but to continue and that is why we still come out while we still pass was divisions deepening the stakes for coming out are growing ever higher Julie McCarthy n.p.r. News Hong Kong. Apple has removed $191.00 apps related to vaporing from a chap store the company says it's concerned about growing evidence of the health risks of the cigarettes especially to young people and b.r.s. Tech correspondent Shannon Bond has more they ping is on the rise and so are smartphone apps connected to the cigarettes you can buy actual bathing products on the App Store but these apps allow people to interact with their ease cigarettes they can make them hotter or change the color they light up if someone loses of a pen an app can help or find it and vaporise can talk to each other on dedicated social networks it's one of the ways that the industry has made this product uniquely appealing to teenagers and young adults Matthew Myers is president of the Campaign for Tobacco Free Kids which has been urging tech companies to ban videos pictures and apps related to baiting the availability of apps as well as social media and I'm line sales and u 2 is one of the key contributors to the perception of young people that these products are safe that they're cool and that there's something the young people should be doing for Miers and other public health advocates Apple's ban is a big victory in explaining its decision the company pointed to mounting evidence that the thing is harmful to health. It said babying is quote a public health crisis and a use epidemic citing the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention and the American Heart Association Apple says it's particularly concerned about its youngest customers more than a quarter of u.s. High school students said they've apes in the past month according to a recent government survey the bait pen company packs makes an app that lets users lock their vague control temperature and flavor but it's no longer available in the App Store packs declined to comment on Apple's ban for people who have already downloaded the banned apps to their i Phones they'll still be able to use them and can move the apps to new devices and that means young people will also still be able to use these smartphone apps if they already have them. N.p.r. News San Francisco. And you're listening to n.p.r. News. And are listening to Weekend Edition valet Public Radio time is 618 now on this Saturday morning in the weather are cooling trends down to gradual reversal today with just a bit warmer than normal highs expected this afternoon low to mid seventy's in the Valley overnight lows in the mid forty's cooler morning lows will lead to a chance of patchy fog each early morning through tomorrow a warming trend follows early next week before another change in the weather pattern by mid week. I'm Christopher Kimball for ministry radio this week we chat with Vicky benison a You Tube star who films Italian grandmothers making traditional pasta by Plus Robin Russell geyser tells us about why she has complete strangers to lunch and Alex i news tries to make a 1000000 layer pastry coming up this week on Wall Street Radio from Pyrex. Today at 10 on Valley Public Radio. I'm Louise Schiavone with these headlines Chicago teachers have voted in favor of the contract deal that ended in 11 days strike the results announced late yesterday the strike was suspended Oct 31st after more than half of the Union's elected delegates tentatively approved the agreement and Bolivia the political crisis took a deadly turn after security forces opened fire on supporters of Evel Morales in a central challenge at least 5 people were killed defensive end Miles Garrett of the Cleveland Browns has been suspended for at least the rest of the regular season and postseason by the n.f.l. For swinging a helmet and striking Pittsburgh Steelers quarterback Mason Rudolph in the head I'm Louise Schiavone n.p.r. News Washington. Support for n.p.r. Comes from this station and from Warner Brothers Pictures presenting the good lawyer a suspense thriller about the secrets people keep and the lies they live starring Helen Mirren and Ian McKellen the good liar rated are now playing only in theaters . From Total Wine and more where in-store teams can recommend a bottle of wine spirit or beer for any occasion shoppers can explore more than 8000 wines 2500 beers and 3000 spirits more a Total Wine dot com and from the any case the foundation This is Weekend Edition from n.p.r. News I'm Scott Simon Louisiana voters head to the polls to select a governor today President Trump was in the state this week campaigning for Republican challenger and he responded Mr Trump has framed the race as a referendum on his presidency and urges voters to unseat the incumbent John Bell Edwards the only Democratic governor in the deep south w.-o. R.-k. F.'s Paul Braun report. This will be the 3rd and final governor's race decided in 2019 all 3 in states that elected Trump by large margins in 2016 and all 3 were visited by the embattled president who could use a win ahead of his 2020 bid for reelection polls in the state show Governor Edwards a Democrat leading by a razor thin margin Trump is hoping he can change that you have a chance to elect a true Louisiana champion Eddie risk only a real success. How to get out you gotta get out 2 weeks ago a Republican won the open seat in the Mississippi governor's mansion but in Kentucky a Democrat ousted Republican incumbent Matt Bevan as Trump reminded the crowd during his visit to Louisiana this week that he lost by just a few 1000 in the headlines the next day trip to call us a lift him up. So comfortable so you got to give me a big trees Ok. Ok judging by the latest Republican messages I would say they're a little bit worried the volume in the tenor went way up very quickly Jennifer Duffy is senior editor at The Cook Political Report she says after Kentucky Trump and Republicans want to stop the bleeding with a win in the easy out and they're willing to pay big money to do it respond a long time power donor to Louisiana Republicans has seen a significant increase in contributions since he want to spot the runoff and the Baton Rouge businessman has loaned his own campaign more than $12000000.00 so far he is flooding the airwaves with campaign ads linking himself to President Trump State University political science professor Robert Hogan says that could pay off this is a state where politicians are form of entertainment if you will and so they like the idea of the outsider that's why that's a businessman like Trump who's never run for office before did so well in the election Edwards is on pace to spend just as much money as his Republican opponent but the incumbent has taken a decidedly different approach he has desperately tried to steer the discussion in the race away from now. Politics and downplays party affiliation he is not a typical Democrat and he can't be in a state like Louisiana Edwards is an unwavering supporter of gun rights and in May He signed one of the strictest anti-abortion laws in the country he's not going to give a lot of ground on social issues that's my candor Sen Also the ways in a state university so he's going to talk about surpluses he's going to talk about budget stability he's going to talk about Medicaid expansion as no more people are cover it all hinges on who shows up today overall elections officials are predicting the largest turnout for a governor's race in years Jennifer Duffy with Cook Political says at this point anything could happen Republicans had a goal for the 3 governors' races on the ballot they wanted a clean sweep so a 2nd term for Edwards would be a particularly bitter pill for a president who had so much invested in this year's elections and could leave Democrats and Republicans alike speculating on what that might mean for Trump's odds in 2020 for n.p.r. News I'm Paul Braun in Baton Rouge. Just last month the World Health Organization announced that 2 of 3 strains of polio had been eradicated in one of the great success stories of modern medicine. The disease which of course could lead to paralysis has been reduced to just a handful of cases around the world but now scientists say there's been a troubling setback one of the vaccines used to prevent polio has actually been causing some people to get polio N.P.R.'s Jason Beaubien joins us now Jason thanks for being with us Hey good morning I understand the problem begins with what's called a live vaccine which has little bits of we can polio virus in it given to children around the world what seems to have gone wrong yet it that is the crux of it that this the oral polio vaccine is used primarily in low and middle income countries it's been the war course of this global effort to eradicate polio but it is a live back scene it's cheap it's easy to administer However this live vaccine is continue to be used worldwide and while you're doing that some of that vaccine has gotten out into the world and it's mutated it starts circulating again just like regular polio but early on it's just it's still a vaccine is not dangerous and then slowly it's sort of regain strength and they're finding they can actually genetically see this scientists can they can actually trace it back to rec league so the vaccine and now these vaccine link cases are actually causing more cases of paralysis each year than actual traditional what scientists call wild polio we should underscore Jason this is not the version of the vaccine that's given to the youngsters in the United States and why are other countries still using right so in the United States and in Europe and other countries like that we're using an injectable vaccine which is a dead vaccine it is not a live virus and it cannot cause polio so that it should not at all be a concern that the issue however is that it's an injection that has to be given it's given 4 times. Sweeny is of 2 months and 7 years so just administering it is difficult and just frankly there is not enough global stockpile of that vaccine to vaccinate all of the children around the world you know 4 times over the course of their childhood so there's some real up problems with that that ultimately would be the goal is to venture to get to the point where you're not using your polio vaccine but it's not logistically possible to point you learned this week the Centers for Disease Control takes this problem so seriously they're actually sending dozens of experts to these countries affected what do they plan to do yeah they're calling it the surge and they are going to be deploying $275.10 extra staff from the c.d.c. Out it primarily into Africa to to try to just address these vaccine derived outbreaks and just clamp them down as soon as they can because the idea is that if you can stop them then you will stop that that virus from continuing to spread and really try to strengthen these systems so that they can get control of this and hopefully you know get get rid of this other source of polio at a time when they're the lies only close to actually wiping out the disease N.P.R.'s Jason Beaubien thanks so much You're welcome. Make it a quarter cause ski has been an oil oligarch and a prisoner the richest man in Russia and a man in exile in London the new documentary citizen k. Written and directed by Alex Gibney shows how a man who was once a Russian state emblem of capitalist success ran a follow Vladimir Putin and became a dissident and human rights champion. But is he still ruthless in pursuing his own ends Alex gave me who's also made the films and rom the smartest guys in the room and going Clear Scientology in the prison of beliefs joins us from New York thanks so much for being with us thanks Scott good to be with you so how did citizen Kay as he's called in this film and Vladimir Putin 2 powerful men who had every reason to get along become adversaries Well they had ever rather different view of Russia's future and at one point in a famously televised conversation about corruption in Russia because Holocaust frontally accused Lattimer Putin of corruption a few months later he found himself in a Siberian prison take us back to the Russia the 1990 s. If you could how did Khodorkovsky grow so rich Well it was a wild west period I mean we all remember Gorbachev and Yeltsin on the tank but once Yeltsin got off the tank and Russia started to rebuild itself as a country not an empire that was no longer communist but now capitalist they had to invent capitalism nobody knew anything about it in fact it had been illegal McCotter Kosky started dealing in and black market blue jeans and computers and right around that time the Russian state was handing out vouchers which were actually shares in small state owned enterprises that everybody could grab ahold of the market value was like 3040 bucks but they were suppose if you hung on to them long enough it's said you could buy yourself a vulgar or a Russian car but most people didn't know what to do with them they had no idea what capitalism was like but somebody like me because ski figured out you could buy him on the cheap and the next thing you knew you owned a whole bunch of shares controlling shares in small Russian state owned enterprises and suddenly he became enormously wealthy one of these Russian all of arcs as I called him a tiny number of people who by the end of. Ninety's would control 50 percent of Russia's economy to begin to question the system in which he'd been so supreme a successful I think initially he saw it as a game and he was good at the game and he was rather ruthless I should say at playing that game but along the way particularly when the ruble dropped through the floor and so did the price of oil he came to own a globe girdling company called Yukos which was an oil company suddenly he found himself in a desperate situation where was having to lay off thousands of people and he was face to face with the misery that can come when things go wrong I know this was covered at the time to one degree or another Brits quite a thing to see the the film of his trial in this film was his trial fare. Well particularly the 2nd trial was really a joke it was a show trial I mean they accused him of stealing all of the oil that he own and this was after they had accused him of not paying taxes on the oil that he sold so you have to wonder how he could steal the oil that he had sold and not pay taxes on and they brought evidence to the trial of things like a conspiracy in the evidence of the conspiracy was a company phone book so it gives you some sense of how ridiculous the trial was it was a complete sham he learned he was going to be sent to prison as far away as you can by counting the number of lunch trace that were in the boxcar in which he traveled they give you one per day and I believe he was handed 7 men it was going to be a 7 day journey by train he ended up in a cross in a comment squishes near a big uranium mine by the Mongolian border so he was quite a ways away from Moscow. And prison this man had been an oligarch really seem to develop character. I think he learned a degree of humanity and he learned a kind of broader vision of life I mean among his prison writings he said you know I learned that life is not about having It's about being you know it was it was really a show of somebody who is try to see things from the inside out it turned his whole worldview upside down I think and he became much more in touch with what it means to be a human being a citizen it must be said you use folk with a few people who deeply believe and be killed Khodorkovsky had people killed when he was an oligarch at least one person indeed Well there was a we spent a great deal of time investigating the murder of nephew guns this town in Siberia to which we travel today Mikhail Khodorkovsky cannot go back to Russia because he is accused of ordering the murder of that mayor who was back in the day in the ninety's that verse the Holocaust we investigated pretty carefully I don't really think that Holocaust you in fact that I'm fairly certain that holocaust did not order that murder over custody today is in London he is he's in London today he operates a something called Open Russia which is dedicated to promulgating Democratic ideas in Russia and also supports a number of journalistic efforts to show the details of corruption in the Putin regime I wonder if in the end you trust what he told you. I think the big question is did he really have a change of heart in prison I think everybody wants to tell their own story their way and shaded in a direction that benefits them but in the case of Holocaust I do believe he changed and while he is still possessed of a sense of revenge I think toward Putin and while I think he still possesses the mindset of somebody who's been very rich and powerful I also think he understood in prison what it means to be a citizen and what it means to be a citizen without power and I think he feels fiercely that that is a system that has to change so that part I think I do believe and I do believe he changed Alex Gibney his documentary citizen k o perched over 22nd in Los Angeles thanks so much for being with us thank you Scott . You're listening to Weekend Edition from n.p.r. News we're not sure if they ever tested I'm on Babylonia is Top Chef but a trio of 4000 year old recipes have been deciphered by a team of international scholars their cookbook are some Babylonian tablets that were 1st discovered in the 1920 s. And thirty's but were not properly translated until the end of the century Harvard Assyria ologist of it put together the cooking t.v. Joins us on the line Dr Berry I'm a bitch thanks very much for being with us my pleasure What do you got me of and for us. As 3 stews at the moment one is a pea soup one is a vegetarian and the final one has a laminate Can you give us an idea of what's in the stews the area that is today Syria Iraq and Turkey our ancestral so many of the ingredients that we use in our cooking today and something about 60 percent of the calories that you will have been using over the last 24 hours 4 hours I bet it will have come from vegetables or animals that were 1st domesticated in this area. Why have these recipes taken so long to come to like. Well people don't expect ancient texts to be food recipes they were known since Yeah the 1920 s. Really but were thought to be perhaps medical texts and stuff like that and it was really only Mary Hart see a scholar from Connecticut who suggested that there might be recipes and people really didn't believe her until a French author scholar in the 1980s was asked to write and Cyclopedia article about cooking in the ancient world he had heard about this rumor that they might be recipe so he went to Yale and found out that they work and of course being a Frenchman he started working on. Show Have you ever tasted any of the recipes Yes these many times now and. The big difference between our French colleague she brought all the way that he could handle these texts in the eighty's and now is that we have a somewhat greater knowledge of 1st of all the ingredients listed in the text themselves we quite simply understand many of the words matter that he did but secondly and more importantly we are working together as a team and he worked alone. Are they good yes they are I would say some of them which is interesting Lee a conclusion that is different from our French colleague he privately acknowledge that he didn't really like much of the food that he was cooking. With had something to do with his cultural background of the fact that our recipes are a little bit different and have moved on Little Bit is I guess an open question. It's not as foreign as you might imagine and there are some basic elements that we share with this kind of cooking and there are certain aspects of the human palate which are not going to change which biological remain the same any big name chefs express an interest in making the recipes or putting them in a restaurant and name no small name yes all over the place there are lots of people who are contacting me these days and and asking whether you know one would be interested in collaborating on having this presented in a restaurant so red or white Oh I get it these people appear people in fact lots of the recipes contain beer the Assyrians would have had one with the food I think. The best of the stews we were getting is a red beets too and it has nice sour beer in it a good cup a gram of it choose Harvard a cereal a just thanks so much for being with us and Bone Appetite thank you and my pleasure this is n.p.r. News. This week in Washington the impeachment inquiry went public what did President actually do to get what did you mean when you said you thought it was crazy if this is not impeachable What is the big questions the critical answers and a look at what happens next and of course make time for the puzzle Sunday on Weekend Edition from n.p.r. News and we start. Public radio. The story of Chief Joseph is still relevant for Americans today. For Liberty. Is very modern. Americans are living in campers and are. Thousands of employers. Hiring this incredible population the next. I'm Louise Schiavone with these headlines Foreign Service Officer David Holmes told congressional impeachment investigators yesterday that he overheard a phone call from President Trump to Gordon Saud land in which Trump was a loudly asking sandlot about a u.s. Request for Ukraine to investigate former Vice President Joe Biden and his son President Trump is issued a full pardon for a former army commando being charged with murder the former Green Beret is accused of killing a suspected bomb maker while deployed in Afghanistan the weekend is off to a relatively quiet start in Hong Kong today Chinese troops have been assisting in cleanup operations to restore traffic in the city I'm Louise Schiavone. Washington . Support for n.p.r. Comes from this station and from little passports a monthly subscription service for kids each package includes games souvenirs and activities from a new country designed to spark curiosity and cultures around the globe at little passports dot com slash radio and from Newman offering a personalized weight loss program based on a cognitive behavioral approach with a goal of losing weight and keeping it off for good learn more it knew him an o.m. Dot com. This Weekend Edition from n.p.r. News I'm Scott Simon I look forward all week to saying it's time for sports. Governing isn't it we'll try out today is it for real I just want to helmet ends this season when it lands on a player's head was joined by Howard Bryant of e.s.p.n. Howard thanks so much for being with us into morning Scott how are you I'm fine thanks but you're in Atlanta my friend for the Collin Kaepernick workout today he's been out of football for 3 years reach an agreement as clues in case against the n.f.l. He still really wants to play n.f.l. Football I guess does knee Well that's what it appears to be there been so many questions that people have asked about this tryout from the Collin Kaplan Exide Why is he doing this after 3 years in a collision lawsuit and lots of humiliation and insults from the president and why would he do this and I think the bottom line is not very complicated I think it's very clear this is his profession he wants to play football this is not been a 2 way relationship in terms of the n.f.l. He's always been very clear that he wanted to play in the n.f.l. And the n.f.l. Also made it clear that they didn't want him so it makes sense that given the opportunity to play he would come and say he was ready you're there to cover the event for e.s.p.n. As only you can my friend but is it a real workout Well it's going to be a great question and I think that you have to take it somewhat at face value even though it's completely unorthodox usually when you bring in a player the teams don't call the n.f.l. The n.f.l. Doesn't set up the workout usually the team calls the player directly and that player comes directly to that team's facility and usually they don't do it on a Saturday before a game day when a lot of the coaches are preparing for a game tomorrow and the scouts in g M's are preparing for a game but on the other hand this is the 1st time since Collin cavern in the last 3 football in the n.f.l. Back on January 1st 27 team that he is going to throw a football in front of a live n.f.l. Personnel. I have to ask about a brutal scene in Thursday night's game between Cleveland Browns and the Pittsburgh Steelers end of the game Myles Garrett the defensive end ripped the helmet off the state of quarterback mation Rudolph took that helmet and clubbed him in the head he's been suspended by the n.f.l. For the rest of the season is that enough I mean even by the standards of n.f.l. Football this was ugly even a criminal act it certainly was I don't know if it said it's a criminal act it looked it looked awful I think that ball criminal act. Well you know it's funny about that Scott not really funny in terms of hilarity obviously but one when you watch the play Rudolph 1st tries to rip Garrett's helmet off a huge he doesn't succeed so then Garrett gives him a taste of his own medicine by actually succeeding and then going the extra step of hitting him in the face with it or on the side of the head with it but I think what I found most interesting about this too was one that root of so far as face no discipline at all. Not even a fine yet but the other part of it too is that the n.f.l. In terms of all of its violence in terms of all of its hits the reason why this was so out of bounds was because Garrett used the helmet as a weapon but the actual hitting the actual game is still so violent that it's not even the worst hit we've seen it's just simply one of the most illegal things that we've seen in the game but in terms of actual viciousness there are so many things that take place inside of those 60 minutes you'll be very interesting to see how the n.f.l. Besides he's already gone have the final 6 games of the season but the suspension is indefinite they may bring this into next season as well e.s.p.n. Howard Bryant thanks so much thank you and tune into Weekend Edition Sunday with Lulu tomorrow to hear how the Swiss government is backtracking from a proposal to stop stockpiling coffee they have stockpiled 3 months supply of coffee along with other necessities like corn rice wheat and cd's of b.j. Lederman he writes Our theme music but when the government proposed nixing coffee from that list the response from the coffee lobby was positively caffeinated tune in tomorrow by asking your smart speaker to play n.p.r. Or your member station by name. Lopez's book separated examines the ripples that pulls away from a single event or felt for years really for whole lives on a Thursday in November of 2013 quite little pay morale and her sister in law and their 4 young children were in their small apartment above an auto body shop in washed North County Michigan when a swat team bearing assault rifles stormed the room it was recorded raid between the Immigration and Customs Enforcement agents ice and local police they threw tear gas they knocked on doors and made children scream. Well you know the Lopez is a clinical assistant professor at the University of Michigan School of Public Health His book is separated family and community in the aftermath of an immigration raid he joins us from the studios of Michigan Radio Nan Arbor Professor thank you for being with us thank you so much for having me we should note that this raid was routine business and to be fair under the previous administration not Donald Trump that is correct that is under the previous administration for our area this was probably a particularly big raid right altogether we see perhaps a dozen men were arrested and perhaps at the half a dozen were ultimately deported so is a big event that lasted also all day long so it really sent some shock waves and as you mentioned this definitely occurred during the Obama administration but what we do see chairing the Trump administration is something we didn't see during Obama's tenure and that's a return to these large scale work raids so this is often about creating this climate of fear and fear of the unknown help us understand the representations and you write about them too obviously got a loop a morale issue and her family but also people around her and washed not County for that matter. Kind of the easiest way to wrap your head around that is to think about. What happened to whether Lopez life after her brother in this case Santiago was removed Santiago was the breadwinner for the family so immediately she had to begin working to generate income for her family for children right. So from this from this removal of a provider for breadwinner extent many many other circumstances hunger poverty possible homelessness she was homeless after the raid there was an organization who are rented a hotel for her to stay in after the raid. And then we see just the emotional and psychological repercussions not only of your husband your brother your cousin your uncle being deported but often of your father being deported right so we see children who the men in their lives are removed and not only the providers but also their emotional support but then on the community level what we also see is folks who begin to distrust social service organizations right then there's this tension of like can I trust the police if I'm this particular race or if I'm this particular immigration status and moreover there's a question of can I trust other government organizations can I trust even local clinics with my immigration status information here wound up being able to trace the ripple effects of this of this 2013 raid to about 20 a little over over 20 people didn't you so that's correct I spoke with many of the individuals who were directly impacted by the raid that means they were arrested in the morning or they were in the building when it was raided and then I spoke with their family members and they spoke with representatives from social service organizations who support them it's a good point that after immigration enforcement events like this sometimes it's hard to say where folks end up and how many people are deported and how many people are removed. It has this trauma and then this aura of mystery right so folks scatter folks don't want to be around the places where they think ice and police are going to arrest more people help us know what you can about we're going to looping in our family members are today. You know like many folks after the deportation of somebody they know and somebody they depend on life kind of goes up in the air for a while right but then eventually you know as we often see there comes a time where either folks go back to work or they decide to go back to Mexico that's what put down the the site and so for now there's something I was wife after he was deported she just didn't have the income to take care of her 2 young kids and she was extremely traumatized by the event she would talk about how she had nightmares and couldn't sleep and felt like she could be a good mother anymore and. As well as many others in the book moved and that's one of the main points that I took away from this work is that the raid happens arrests happen deportation happens on one day Jerry in the year right but it's the other $364.00 days are fundamentally shaped by that one event and we fear the traumatic event and we fear the Remove will and she lives every day you know with that possibility of what could happen William de Lopez his book separated thank you so much for being with us thank you for having me Mary Louise Parker is in our studios she joined rave reviews for her central role in Adam raps to character drama the sound inside she plays Bella the mid fifty's English prophet jail who goes from a gray room to her grey office like mostly by literature and it gets a crisis of a medical diagnosis just as Christopher played by Will Hawkman shows up at her door for guidance he's a freshman writing a novel she feels she needs the most intimate form of assistance it's not what you may think the sound inside is directed by David Cromer early which Parker thanks so much for being with us thank you for having me. This is a tough but rewarding night. In the theater why did you want to be Bill why didn't 1st I wasn't sure I was the right person for it but I thought it was such a beautiful piece of writing and I did a reading of it I don't know that she was very available to me I feel like she was there in a way that I wasn't really expecting just most enjoyable to live in her head I think she does yeah my friend Eli is a writer he says you know interesting writing is the product of interesting thinking and I think that's where she lives in between that space between her imagination and the page and I think that's the strongest and most important relationship she has at one point Christopher the young man says you don't want your have any friends yeah. I think it's a bit overstated in that moment but I think what's more important is that he hits a nerve that has a kernel of truth in it I don't think she feels terribly close to anyone really well that raises another question that I had written down or are they lonely were they merely alone I think in this case I think they are lonely I feel like when they do find some sort of safe place in one another or some sort of free form of communication there's an energy that is released from both of them the sort of like this need to pursue that if they hadn't been in some form of self isolation and then found someone they wanted you know as company then they wouldn't necessarily be lonely I think they would just be happy with their solitude. Real nuts and bolts question. If you were on stage for the entire play. Talking for I don't know 80 percent of it yeah oh how does that to pull off every time. It's quite arduous but I could I really love a challenge like that and I used to say I liked to be on stage the whole place is then I knew I would not miss an entrance. And I spent most of the plays that I've done of then like that. This part requires a lot of technique. And most requires that because I don't want you to see the technique I want you to feel like there's a person standing there talking just just talking. And that's the hardest thing you know this is the challenge that I love actually let me ask a little more about Christopher he. Is it fair to say that Christopher is a little bit or well I think is wildly insecure and which usually must arrogant people are and I think he wants to impress her you quickly get a sense that there's some kind of bond of communication between them they both tell each other now you're writing they write a difference between talking and ready Right exactly exactly and both of them will say the wrong thing and the other one even if they have a reaction they move past it and he has an incredibly. Interesting way of expressing itself and I think that's the 1st thing that she notices and it's the thing that takes her in the most he's writing as he's speaking and she can hear that. Without giving anything away Bella has Christopher for an extraordinary favor Yes I'm not sure favor is the word but I couldn't come up with that I know it's hard and I think better and for the 1st time. I found myself disliking Bella thinking my gosh your teacher a great you shouldn't ask this agreed Yeah I understand where she's coming from and why I still think it's I think it's the wrong choice and I still think it's a flaw but you know it's impossible to play a person without flaw as yeah I'm glad to hear you say that because I haven't really heard people sort of acknowledge that. The middle of the conversation briefly. Oh maybe not is there something you did on your way here that would surprise people a job of some kind or oh yeah I had all kinds of jobs like all kinds of jobs I did telemarketing surveys I handed out perfume samples in the mall with a basket of cotton balls I remember the name of the perfume if you can believe it or not Flora Donica do you take something from each of those drone option. As you go forward as an actor of those experiences not the job I don't know I mean I think everyone should have to work for id of different jobs because I think you know people don't sometimes people approach. You know the person who delivers their groceries or the person who's taking their order and as there's some other phylum So the person handing it that perfume sample could win a Tony wondering well don't you think that I just got That's the way when I would look around at people and I think that person is might be a 1000000 times more talented than me and x.y.z. There's this wonderful book called The short and tragic life of Robert piece by Jeff Hobbs it's a really profound book and for. Me. That's what I took away from that book is that you have no idea of someone's capacity when you encounter them. Mary Louise Parker stars in the sound inside with Will. Studio 54 theater thanks so much for being with us thank you thank you so much. This is Weekend Edition from n.p.r. 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Weather wise are cooling trends dance a gradual reversal today with just bit warmer than normal highs expected this afternoon low to mid seventy's in the Valley overnight lows in the mid 40 used the cool morning lows will lead to a chance of some patchy fog vision early morning and tomorrow morning as well a warming trend follows early next week with Monday back in the low eighty's before another change in the weather pattern by of midweek this will bring cooler temps additional cloud cover and our 1st al be it a slight chance of some area rain today's f.m. 89 air quality forecast is good in my head and Madeira counties and Ignace other in Kern County mountainous and moderate in the other San Joaquin Valley and 40 all areas it's 7 o'clock now. From n.p.r. News in Washington d.c. This is Weekend Edition. I'm Scott Simon the House Intelligence Committee open impeachment hearings this week one of the many for magic moments Maria of on a former u.s. Ambassador to Ukraine recalled seen the president referred to her as bad news it was it was a terrible moment. Person who saw me actually reading the transcript said that the color drained from my face I think I even had a physical reaction a former prosecutor reviews the week's news for us all so Ugandan singer and actress Bobby why I'm always rallying for training is going to bring in Joe Henry on the songs but discouraging diagnosis and put into words our 1st we have our newscast today is Saturday Nov 16th 2019. Live from n.p.r. News in Washington I'm Louise Schiavone Foreign Service Officer David Holmes has told House impeachment of Vesta gaiters he overheard a phone call from President Trump to e.u. Embassador Gordon song Blood and which Trump was loudly asking about a request for Ukraine to investigate former Vice President Biden and his son the work of House impeachment of Vesta gaiters continues today and P.R.'s ones are Johnson reports Mark Zandi would be the 1st employee of the White House Office of Management and Budget to cooperate with House investigators congressional Democrats had requested testimony from other o.m.b. Staffers but they all tick line to appear citing orders from the White House Counsel's Office Sandy is expected to be questioned about the agency's role in withholding nearly $400000000.00 in military aid to Ukraine President Trump is a queue of using that aid as leverage to press the Ukrainian leader to investigate a political rival the House will resume public hearing. In its investigation on Tuesday when Sir Johnston n.p.r. News Washington Louisiana voters are deciding whether to give their incumbent Democratic governor a 2nd term more from N.P.R.'s Debbie Elliott Democratic governor John Bell Edwards faces Republican businessman Eddie respond a political newcomer President Trump has made 3 visits to Louisiana in hopes of unseating the Democrat votes Saturday I was born and you're going to have a great Republican governor respond he has campaigned largely as Trump's man in Louisiana we can turn the wheezy and around and in so abort our president in 2020 Edwards in turn says the Republican response campaign lacks substance obviously he's trying to nationalize this race because that's the only shot he has Edwards is the only sitting Democratic governor in the deep south Debbie Elliott n.p.r. News at least 5 protesters have been killed in Bolivia in a confrontation with security forces N.P.R.'s Philip Reeves has the latest These killings a sharpie raising tensions in a country already polarized and unstable in the aftermath of the fall of President Evo Morales his nearly a week ago they.
Illegal campaign against the group defendant's attorney Harmeet Dillon says her clients were acting as journalists She says the verdict is disappointing and will be appealed I will call today a dark day for the 1st Amendment but thankfully it is not the last word the defendants are also facing criminal invasion of privacy charges that trial is set to start next month for n.p.r. News I'm Peter Jon sure in San Francisco after several days of intense chaos the people of Hong Kong awoke today to relative calm N.P.R.'s Julie McCarthy reports universities have emerged as epicenters of rebellion against the police in the Beijing backed Hong Kong government a growing number of white collar workers have joined the revolt against the government's refusal to respond to the protesters demands they include direct elections and an inquiry into the police handling of the ongoing unrest the shared fear is that Hong Kong's freedoms unique in China are in jeopardy University chiefs Meanwhile criticised at the government's failure to resolve the police protester deadlock on campuses which they say have been occupied by radical protesters who are not students with the global spotlight trained again on Hong Kong Chinese President Xi Jinping has had the priority is to restore order Julie McCarthy n.p.r. News Hong Kong this is n.p.r. . Representatives of more than 24 n.f.l. Teams reportedly plan to attend today's private workout for controversial former n.f.l. Quarterback calling capper Nick the league announced the surprise addition earlier this week capital glass played in the 2016 season when he started kneeling during the national anthem to protest police brutality and social inequality and P.R.'s Tom Goldman has more the private workout meaning no media allowed will take place at the Atlanta Falcons training facility former n.f.l. Head coach Hugh Jackson will lead cavern it through drills the league will send video of the workout and an interview with capper Nick to all $32.00 teams critics of labeled today's event a publicity stunt but sources told e.s.p.n. Teams have contacted the league office about Cameron extatic us and the n.f.l. Decided to hold the session so all interested teams could gather at the same time to assess capper next readiness in 2017 he filed a grievance alleging teams were colluding to ban him from the n.f.l. Because of his political activism the grievance was settled and reportedly today's session was not part of the settlement Tom Goldman n.p.r. News voting is underway in Louisiana where Governor John Bell Edwards is battling to divide partisan odds and win reelection to a seat that President Trump wants returned to Republicans the race has become a nail biter with no clear favorite the president has made the runoff election between the deep south only Democratic governor and g.o.p. Businessman Eddie respond a test of his own popularity the president has made 3 campaign trips to Louisiana I'm Louise Schiavone n.p.r. News Washington support for n.p.r. Comes from n.p.r. Stations other contributors include the law firm Cooley l.l.p. With offices in the u.s. Europe and Asia Cooley advises entrepreneurs' investors financial institutions and established companies around the world where innovation meets the law. This is Weekend Edition from n.p.r. News I'm Scott Simon the 1st of the public testimony in the impeachment inquiry this week Roger Stone president trumps political advisor found guilty of all charges 7 federal felonies and last night some explosive reports about a statement made behind closed doors N.P.R.'s senior Washington editor and correspondent Ron Elving joins us Ron thanks for being with us good to be with you Scott and what do we hear about this latest name to join if I may this cast of characters David Holmes David Holmes is a foreign service officer on staff at the u.s. Embassy in Ukraine he testified for 6 hours Friday in a closed door session after those televised open hearings with Ambassador Evanovich Holmes testified that he had direct knowledge of President Trump's attitude and intentions toward Ukraine because he had overheard a phone call back in July between Trump and Gordon Sunderland the ambassador to the European Union now these gentlemen were at a table together in a restaurant and the president was on the phone and apparently so loud that Stalin held the phone out a way from his head and it was possible for homes and others at the table to hear the conversation and he indicated that and by the way the opening statement that he gave behind closed doors Scott that was obtained 1st by c.n.n. But later confirmed as accurate for n.p.r. By Holmes as lawyer and it indicates Trump was not so concerned about defending your Crane from Russian incursions that's what the military aid was about but he was very concerned about getting Ukraine to investigate former Vice President Biden giving a boost to troops reelection campaign you thoughtfully left out some very purple language to run he was not excessively concerned actually the ambassador put that much more colorful Yeah exactly earlier in the week 3 marquee witnesses testified the acting u.s. Ambassador to Ukraine Bill Taylor George can't a state park. An official and Marie Yvonne a bitch what the public here in learned the public saw and heard 3 exceptionally professional diplomats people who have spent their adult lives in service to their country in difficult posts and the public learned that one of them about their Yvon of it she lost her job when she ran afoul of Rudy Giuliani and some of his cohorts the former New York City mayor who is now Trump's personal attorney was in Ukraine and spreading stories about her and the public learned the extent of President Trump's campaign to discredit the Bidens and to suggest that Ukraine and not Russia was responsible for interfering in the 2016 election and the president tweeted during and after given of it as testimony let's hear how she reacted when asked about it in a what I'll call a marquee moment by House Intelligence chairman Adam Schiff. And now the president real time is attacking you. But fact do you think that has on other witnesses willingness to come forward. And expose wrongdoing. Well it's very intimidating. Ron does it set a tone for the 8 witnesses were expected to hear from next week it may it may be this Trump strategy at this point to trash the witnesses in real time but it may also set a standard for response as modeled by the ambassador we saw yesterday and if it does it will be another case of the president defining the terms of debate via Twitter and thereby setting the rules for all the discourse on the debate that follows but it also shows people how to resist having that we have left Roger Stone convicted of lying to Congress witness tampering obstruction of justice would anyone be surprised if he was pardoned this week and. Well it's this weekend might be a bit of wrapped after all the president has not pardoned any of his other former associates who have been convicted of lying and lying for him by the Moeller team but judging by the lack of a vigorous defense in this case it would seem that someone was counting on a pardon n.p.r. Senior Washington editor and correspondent Ron Elving thanks so much thank you Scott another volatile week in Hong Kong one day mourning a student who died in circumstances that are uncertain another day exploding in the worst violence in 5 and a half months N.P.R.'s Julie McCarthy has spent the past week covering developments in Hong Kong and has this Reporter's Notebook protests begun in June with peaceful demands for more democracy by mid November have termed perilous 3 months why why are. Oh. A stunned reporter narrates as a policeman shoots a masked activist Monday outrage in Hong Kong the 21 year old lies in the hospital with serious injuries a 57 year old is in critical condition after he was set on fire for opposing the protests life hangs on a thread in Hong Kong No one knows what will happen when they venture out to protests now protesters have embraced violent tactics in response to brutal police practices. Crowds this week taunted the black clad policemen outfitted with riot shields and tear gas 2 young women huddled in a doorway sneak a worried peek one of them who chose not to be named for fear of reprisal says the people are massing because day to day dangers seem to be growing I'm just feeling the police in Hong Kong he's off control they call Italy is now following the Hong Kong rule and the basic law. Only in Hong Kong people do you sense that things are getting worse I think so. Until people get the real democracy and veiled freedom this week riot police advanced on Chinese university reputed to be Hong Kong's most radical police accused to the students of throwing bricks and debris from a bridge to block a highway below. It is believed to be the 1st time the police fired tear gas into a campus students silhouetted against fires igniting around them refused to retreat . They ruled Molotov cocktails and raid arrows down on the police from their perch above once a haven school grounds are now battlegrounds worried by the downward. Role administrators ended the semester early police chased suspected protesters into the basement of the Holy Cross Church this week beating them as they barge past parishioners of. The. Parish said since the start of protests it has been a sanctuary and condemned the police for using what it called excessive force entering the church in Hong Kong customs and traditions are now casualties of the ongoing unrest student protesters talk openly about dying in this movement. The thousands of Hong Kong there is grieved last weekend in vigils for student Chelsea Locke he suffered fatal brain injuries from a fall in a car park near the scene of protests. Graduated a year ahead of Cho recalling Chiles youth and education so similar to his own unit begins to sob this is the. Child is our hands and feet he said a reference to the intimate connection people inside the protest movement feel for one another many Hong Kong or is it mid to being overwhelmed by the magnitude of events and the uncertainty that hangs over Hong Kong the pro-democracy protesters and the Hong Kong government backed by Beijing have intractable differences. Phoebe as she chose to be identified leads a lunchtime protest in chance of fight for freedom she says no one knows what lies ahead but the protesters must not deviate from their convictions whether or not it is optimistic Reisa continue we have no choice but to continue and that is why we will come out while we don't have with divisions deepening the stakes for coming out or growing ever higher Julie McCarthy n.p.r. News Hong Kong. Apple has removed $181.00 apps related to vaporing from a champ store the company says it's concerned about growing evidence of the health risks of the cigarettes especially to young people N.P.R.'s tech correspondent Shannon Bond has more they ping is on the rise and so are smartphone apps connected to a cigarette you can buy actual bathing products on the App Store but these apps allow people to interact with their ease cigarettes they can make them hotter or change the color they light up if someone loses of a pen an app can help or find it and vapors can talk to each other on dedicated social networks it's one of the ways that the industry has made this product uniquely appealing to teenagers and young adults Matthew Myers is president of the Campaign for Tobacco Free Kids which has been urging tech companies to ban videos pictures and apps related to a thing the availability of apps as well as social media and line sales and u 2 is one of the key contributors to the perception of young people that these products are safe that they're cool and this is something the young people should be doing for Miers and other public health advocates Apple's ban as a big victory in explaining its decision the company pointed to mounting evidence that the thing is harmful to health it said babying is quote a public health crisis and a u.s. Epidemic citing the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention and the American Heart Association Apple says it's particularly concerned about its youngest customers more than a quarter of u.s. High school students said they put in the past month according to a recent government survey. The Vai pan company packs makes an app that lets users lock their vote pens control temperature and flavor but it's no longer available in the App Store packs declined to comment on Apple's ban for people who have already downloaded the banned apps to their i Phones they'll still be able to use them and can move the apps to new devices and that means young people will also still be able to use these smartphone apps if they are to have them Shannon bond n.p.r. News San Francisco. And you're listening to n.p.r. News. 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I'm Louise Schiavone with these headlines Chicago teachers have voted in favor of the contract deal that ended in 11 days strike the results announced late yesterday the strike was suspended Oct 31st after more than half of the Union's elected delegates tentatively approved the agreement and Bolivia the political crisis took a deadly turn after security forces opened fire on supporters of Evel Morales in a central challenge at least 5 people were killed defensive end Miles Garrett of the Cleveland Browns has been suspended for at least the rest of the regular season and postseason by the n.f.l. For swinging a helmet and striking Pittsburgh Steelers quarterback Mason Rudolph in the head I'm Louise Schiavone n.p.r. News Washington. Support for n.p.r. 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Paul Brown reports this will be the 3rd and final governor's race decided in 2019 all 3 in states that elected Trump by large margins in 2016 and all 3 were visited by the embattled president who could use a win ahead of his 2020 bid for reelection polls in the state show Governor Edwards a Democrat leading by a razor thin margin Trump is hoping he can change that and you have a chance to elect a true Louisiana champion Eddie respond to real success. How to Get It got together 2 weeks ago a Republican won the open seat in the Mississippi governor's mansion but in Kentucky a Democrat ousted Republican incumbent Matt Bevan as Trump reminded the crowd during his visit to Louisiana this week that he lost by just a few 1000 in the headlines the next day trip took a loss a lift him up. So comfortable so you got to give me a big please Ok. Judging by the latest Republican messages I would say they're a little bit worried the volume in the tenor went way up very quickly Jennifer Duffy is senior editor at The Cook Political Report she says after Kentucky Trump and Republicans want to stop the bleeding with a win in the easy Ana and they're willing to pay big money to do it respond a long time power donor to Louisiana Republicans has seen a significant increase in contributions since he want to spot the runoff and the Baton Rouge businessman has loaned his own campaign more than $12000000.00 so far he is flooding the airwaves with campaign ads linking himself to President Trump Louisiana State University. Political science professor Robert Hogan says that could pay off this is a state where politicians are form of entertainment if you will and so they've they liked the idea of the outsider that's why that's a businessman like Trump who's never run for office before did so well in the election Edwards is on pace to spend just as much money as this Republican opponent but the incumbent has taken a decidedly different approach he has desperately tried to steer the discussion in the race away from national politics and downplay his party affiliation he is not a typical Democrat and he can't be in a state like Louisiana Edwards is an unwavering supporter of gun rights and in May He signed one of the strictest anti-abortion laws in the country he's not going to give a lot of ground on social issues that's Mike Henderson also the wheezy on a state university so he's going to talk about surpluses he's going to talk about budget stability he's going to talk about Medicaid expansion as no more people are covered it all hinges on who shows up today overall elections officials are predicting the largest turnout for a governor's race in years Jennifer Duffy with Cook Political says at this point anything could happen Republicans had to pull for the 3 governors' races on the ballot they wanted a clean sweep so a 2nd term for Edwards would be a particularly bitter pill for a president who had so much invested in this year's elections and could leave Democrats and Republicans alike speculating on what that might mean for Trump's odds in 2020 for n.p.r. News I'm Paul Braun in Baton Rouge. Just last month the World Health Organization announced that 2 of 3 strains of polio had been eradicated in one of the great success stories of modern medicine the disease which of course could lead to paralysis has been reduced to just a handful of cases around the world but now scientists say there's been a troubling setback. One of the vaccines used to prevent polio has actually been causing some people to get polio N.P.R.'s Jason Beaubien joins us now Jason thanks for being with us Hey good morning I understand the problem begins with what's called a live vaccine which has little bits of we can polio virus Senate given to children around the world what seems to have gone wrong yet it that is the crux of it that this the oral polio vaccine that's used primarily in low and middle income countries it's been the work course of this global effort to eradicate polio but it is a live back scene it's cheap it's easy to administer However this live vaccine is continue to be used worldwide and while you're doing that some of that vaccine has gotten out into the world and it's mutated it starts circulating again just like regular polio but early on it's just it's still a vaccine is not dangerous and then slowly it sort of regain strength and they're finding they can actually genetically see this scientists can they can actually trace it back to rec league so the vaccine and now these vaccine link cases are actually causing more cases of paralysis each year than actual traditional what scientists call wild polio Now we should underscore just in this is not the version of the vaccine that's given to 2 youngsters in the United States why are other countries still using right so in the United States and in Europe and other countries like that we're using an injectable vaccine which is a dead vaccine it is not a live virus and it cannot cause polio so that it should not at all be a concern that the issue however is that it's an injection that has to be given it's given 4 times between the ages of 2 months and 7 years so just administering it is it is difficult and just frankly there is not a. Enough global stockpile of that vaccine to vaccinate all of the children around the world you know 4 times over the course of their childhood so there's some real problems with that that ultimately would be the goal is to Ventura get to the point where you're not using your polio vaccine but it's not logistically possible to the point you learn this week the Centers for Disease Control takes this problem so seriously they're actually sending dozens of experts to these countries affected what do they plan to do yeah they're calling it the surge and they are going to be deploying $275.10 extra staff from the c.d.c. Out it primarily into Africa to to try to just address these vaccine derived outbreaks and just clamp them down as soon as they can because the idea is that if you can stop them then you will stop that virus from continuing to spread and really try to strengthen these systems so that they can get control of this and hopefully you know get get rid of this other source of polio at a time when they're analyzing only close to actually wiping out the disease N.P.R.'s Jason Beaubien thanks so much You're welcome. Mikhail Khodorkovsky has been an oil oligarch and a prisoner the richest man in Russia and a man in exile in London the new documentary citizen k. Written and directed by Alex Gibney shows how a man who was once a Russian state emblem of capital a success ran afoul of Lattimer Putin and became a dissident and human rights champion. But is he still ruthless in pursuing his own ends Alex gave me his also made the films and the smartest guys in the room and going Clear Scientology in the prison of beliefs joins us from New York thanks so much for being with us thanks Scott good to be with you so how did citizen Kay as he's called in this film and Vladimir Putin 2 powerful men who had every reason to get along become adversaries Well they had ever rather different view of Russia's future and at one point in a famously televised conversation about corruption in Russia Mikhail Khodorkovsky frontally accused Lattimer Putin of corruption a few months later he found himself in a Siberian prison tech aspect to the Russia the 1990 s. If you could how did Khodorkovsky grow so rich Well it was a wild west period I mean we all remember Gorbachev and Yeltsin on the tank but once Yeltsin got off the tank and Russia started to rebuild itself as a country not an Empire there was no longer communist but now capitalist they had to invent capitalism nobody knew anything about it in fact it had been illegal McCotter Kosky started dealing in and black market blue jeans and computers and right around that time the Russian state was handing out vouchers which were actually shares in small state owned enterprises that everybody could grab ahold of the market value was like 3040 bucks but they were suppose if you hung on to them long enough it's said you could buy yourself a vulgar Russian car but most people didn't know what to do with them they had no idea what capitalism was like but somebody like me because ski figured out you could buy him on the cheap and the next thing you knew you owned a whole bunch of shares controlling shares in small Russian state owned enterprises and suddenly he became enormously wealthy one of these Russian all of arcs as they call them a tiny number of people who by the end of. Ninety's would control 50 percent of Russia's economy to begin to question the system in which he'd been so supreme most successful I think initially he saw it as a game and he was good at the game and he was rather ruthless I should say at playing that game but along the way particularly when the ruble dropped through the floor and so did the price of oil he came to own a globe girdling company called Yukos which was an oil company suddenly he found himself in a desperate situation where was having to lay off thousands of people and he was face to face with the misery that can come when things go wrong I know this was covered at the time to one degree or another but it's quite a thing to see the the film of his trial in this film was his trial fare. Well particularly the 2nd trial was really a joke it was a show trial I mean they accused him of stealing all of the oil that he own and this was after they'd accused him of not paying taxes on the oil that he sold so you'd have to wonder how he could steal the oil that he had sold and not pay taxes on and they brought evidence to the trial things like a conspiracy in the evidence of the conspiracy was a company phone book so it gives you some sense of how ridiculous the trial was it was a complete sham he learned he was going to be sent to prison as far away as you can by counting the number of lunch trace that were in the boxcar in which you travel they give you one per day and I believe he was handed 7 men it was going to be a 7 day journey by train he ended up in a cross in a comment squishes near a big uranium mine by the Mongolian border so he was quite a ways away from Moscow. And prison this man had been an oligarch really seem to develop character. I think he learned a degree of humanity and he learned a kind of broader vision of life I mean among his prison writings he said you know I learned that life is not about having It's about being you know it was it was really a show of somebody who is try to see things from the inside out it turned his whole worldview upside down I think and he became much more in touch with what it means to be a human being a citizen it must be said you you spoke with a few people who deeply believe and be careful Khodorkovsky had people killed when he was no oligarch at least one person indeed Well there was a we spent a great deal of time investigating the murder of nephew dance this town in Siberia to which we travel today Mikhail Khodorkovsky cannot go back to Russia because he is accused of ordering the murder of that mayor who was back in the day in the ninety's adverse the Holocaust ski we investigated pretty carefully I don't really think that holocaust in fact that I'm fairly certain that holocaust did not order that murder of a kushti today is in London he is he's in London today he operates something called Open Russia which is dedicated to promulgating Democratic ideas in Russia and also supports a number of journalistic efforts to show the details of corruption in the Putin regime I wonder if in the end you trust what he told you. I think the big question is did he really have a change of heart in prison I think everybody wants to tell their own story their way and shaded in a direction that benefits them but in the case of Holocaust I do believe he changed and while he is still possessed of a sense of revenge I think toward Putin and while I think he still possesses the mindset of somebody who's been very rich and powerful I also think he understood in prison what it means to be a citizen and what it means to be a citizen without power and I think he feels fiercely that that is a system that has to change so that part I think I do believe and I do believe he changed Alex Gibney his documentary citizen k o preached over 22nd in Los Angeles thanks so much for being with us thank you Scott. You're listening to Weekend Edition from n.p.r. News. We're not sure if they ever tested him on Babylonia as Top Chef but a trio of 4000 year old recipes have been deciphered by a team of international scholars their cookbook are some Babylonian tablets there are 1st discovered in the 1920 s. And thirty's but were not properly translated until the end of the century Harvard Assyria ologist goto bar Yama of age put together the cooking team he joins us on the line Dr Berry I'm of if Thanks very much for being with us my pleasure What do you got in the oven for us. 3 stews at the moment one is a peach soup one is a vegetarian and the final one has a lamb in it can you give us an idea of what's in the stews the area that is today Syria Iraq and Turkey our ancestral so many of the ingredients that we use in our cooking today and something about 60 percent of the calories that you will have been eating over the last 254 hours I bet will have come from the triples or animals that were 1st domesticated in this area. Why have these recipes taken so long to come to like. Well people don't expect ancient texts to be food recipes they were known since Yeah the 1920 s. Really but where thought to be perhaps medical texts and stuff like that it was really only Mary hussy a scholar from Connecticut who suggested that they might be recipes and people really didn't believe her until a French author and scholar in the 1980 s. Was asked to write and take repeated article about cooking in the ancient Well he had heard about this rumor that they might be recipes so he went to Yale and found out that they were and of course being a Frenchman he started working on the show have you have you tasted any of the recipes Yes these many times now and. The big difference between our French colleague Mr Bott all and the way that he could handle these texts in the eighty's and now is that we have a somewhat greater knowledge of 1st of all the ingredients listed in the texts themselves we quite simply understand many of the words matter than he did but secondly and more importantly we're working together as a team and he worked alone. Are they good yes they are I would say some of them which is interesting Lee a conclusion that is different from our French colleague he privately acknowledge that he didn't really like much of the food that he was cooking but it has something to do with his cultural background of the fact that our recipes are a little bit different and have moved on Little Bit is I guess an open question. It's not as foreign as you might imagine and there are some basic elements that we share with this kind of cooking and there are certain aspects of the human palate which are not going to change which biological remained the same any big name chefs express an interest in making the recipes or putting them into restaurants need name no small name yes all over the place there are lots of people who are contacting me these days and and asking whether you know one would be interested in collaborating on having this presented in a restaurant so red or white. I get it these people are beer people in fact lots of the recipes contain beer the Assyrians would have had wine with the food I think. The best of the stews that we were getting is a red beets too and it's has nice sour beer in it good cover gram of it choose a Harvard a cereal a just thanks so much for being with us and going up at 8 thank you and my pleasure this is n.p.r. News. It's a look back it will again it's a quick look at what can be found on Sacramento's legendary rock radio. H.k. Xampp on camera one hour right in the middle of Saturday one part I'm going to call a play to win through the years with my mutilated rock releases every week just to name Saturdays and present Bambery to you. We get support from Sacramento Bee keeping and honey with 12 varieties of honey supplies for creating holiday gifts ready made 100 percent bees wax candles and other gifts for giving or for keeping on extreme year 21st and at Sacramento beekeeping dot com This is kept Radio 90.9 Sacramento streaming at Cap radio dot org. I'm glad we Schiavone with these headlines Foreign Service Officer David Holmes told congressional impeachment investigators yesterday that he overheard a phone call from President Trump to bestir Gordon song land in which Trump was allowed Lee asking sandlot about a u.s. Request for Ukraine to investigate former Vice President Joe Biden and his son President Trump is issued a full pardon for a former army commando being charged with murder the former Green Beret is accused of killing a suspected bomb maker while deployed in Afghanistan the weekend is off to a relatively quiet start in Hong Kong today Chinese troops have been assisting in cleanup operations to restore traffic in the city and Louise Schiavone n.p.r. News Washington. Support for n.p.r. Comes from this station and from little passports a monthly subscription service for kids each package includes games souvenirs and activities from a new country designed to spark curiosity and cultures around the globe at little passports dot com slash radio and from new mom offering a personalized weight loss program based on a cognitive behavioral approach with the goal of losing weight and keeping it off for good learn more at noon and o.o.m. Dot com. This is Weekend Edition from n.p.r. News I'm Scott Simon I look forward all week to saying it's time for sports. Governing an n.f.l. Try out today is it for real and it's one of the helmet injuries season when it lands on a player's head was joined by Howard Bryant of e.s.p.n. Howard thanks so much for being with us and good morning Scott how are you I'm fine thanks but you're in Atlanta my friend for the Collin capper network out today he's been out of football for 3 years reach an agreement as clues in case against the n.f.l. He still really wants to play n.f.l. Football I guess doesn't well that's what it appears to be there have been so many questions that people have asked about this tryout from the column capping Exide Why is he doing this after 3 years in a coalition lawsuit and lots of humiliation and insults from the president and why would he do this and I think the bottom line is not very complicated I think it's very clear this is his profession he wants to play football this is not been a 2 way relationship in terms of the n.f.l. He's always been very clear that he wanted to play in the n.f.l. And the n.f.l. Also made it clear that they didn't want him so it makes sense that given the opportunity to play he would come and say he was ready you were there to cover the event for e.s.p.n. As only you can my friend but is it a real workout Well it's going to be a great question and I think that you have to take it somewhat at face value even though it's completely unorthodox usually when you bring in a player the the teams don't call the n.f.l. The n.f.l. Doesn't set up the workout usually the team calls the player directly and that player comes directly to that team's facility and usually they don't do it on a Saturday before a game day when a lot of the coaches are preparing for a game tomorrow and the scouts in g M's are preparing for a game but on the other hand this is the 1st time since Collin Cavanagh last through football in the n.f.l. Back on January 1st 27 team that he is going to throw a football in front of a live n.f.l. Personnel. Have to ask about a brutal scene and Thursday night's game between Cleveland Browns and the Pittsburgh Steelers end of the game Myles Garrett the defensive end ripped the helmet off the state of quarterback mation Rudolph took that helmet and clubbed him in the head he's been suspended by the n.f.l. For the rest of the season is that enough I mean even by the standards of n.f.l. Football this was ugly even a criminal act and certainly was I don't know if it's a criminal act it looked it looked awful I think that ball criminal act oh well you know it's funny about that Scott not really funny in terms of hilarity obviously but one when you watch the play Rudolph 1st tries to rip Garrett's helmet off and he doesn't succeed so then Garrett gives him a taste of his own medicine by actually succeeding and then going the extra step of hitting him in the face with it on the side of the head with it but I think that what I found most interesting about this too was one that Rudolph so far as face no discipline at all. Not even a fine yet but the other part of it too is that the n.f.l. In terms of all of its violence in terms of all of its hits the reason why this was so out of bounds was because Garrett used the helmet as a weapon but the actual hitting the actual game is still so violent that it's not even the worst hit we've seen it's just simply one of the most illegal things that we've seen in the game but in terms of actual viciousness there are so many things that take place inside of those 60 Minutes will be very interesting to see how the n.f.l. Decides he's already gone from the final 6 game to the season but the suspension is indefinite they may bring this into next season as well E.S.P.N.'s Howard Bryant thanks so much thank you and tune into Weekend Edition Sunday with Lulu tomorrow to hear how the Swiss government is backtracking from a proposal to stop stockpiling coffee they have stockpiled 3 months supply of coffee along with other necessities like corn rice wheat and C.D.'s of b.j. Lederman that he writes are theme music but when the government proposed nixing coffee from that list the response from the coffee lobby was positively caffeinated tune in tomorrow by asking your smart speaker to play n.p.r. Or your member station by name. William d. Lopez's book separated examines the ripples that pulls away from a single event never felt for years really for whole lives on a Thursday in November of 2013. Her sister in law and their 4 young children were in their small apartment above an auto body shop in Washington or County Michigan when a swat team bearing assault rifles stormed the room. It was a coordinated raid between the Immigration and Customs Enforcement agents ice and local police they threw tear gas they knocked on doors and made children scream welcome to Lopez is a clinical assistant professor at the University of Michigan School of Public Health His book is separated family and community in the aftermath of an immigration raid he joins us from the studios of Michigan Radio Nan Arbor Professor thank you for being with us thank you so much for having me we should note of this raid was routine business and to be fair under the previous administration not Donald Trump that is correct that is under the previous administration for our area this was probably a particularly big raid right altogether we see perhaps a dozen men were arrested and perhaps at the half a dozen were ultimately deported so it was a big event that lasted also all day long so it really sent some shock waves and as you mentioned this definitely occurred during the Obama administration but what we do see cheering the Trump administration is something we didn't see during Obama's tenure and that's a return to these large scale work raids so this is often about creating this climate of fear and fear of the unknown help us understand the rep recovery and you write about them too obviously got a loop in morale or sent her family but also people around her and washed not County for that matter kind of the easiest way to wrap her head around that is to think about. What happened to whether live as life after her brother in this case Santiago was removed and so on the uncle was the breadwinner for the family so immediately she had to begin working to generate income for her family for children right. So from this from this remove all of a provider for breadwinner x. And many many other circumstances hunger poverty possible homelessness and she was homeless after the raid there was an organization who are into the hotel for her to stay in after the raid. And then we see. Just the emotional and psychological repercussions not only of your husband your brother your cousin and your uncle being deported but often of your father being deported right so we see children who the men in their lives are removed and who not only the providers but also their emotional support but then on the community level what we also see is folks who begin to distrust social service organizations right then there's this tension of like can I trust the police if I'm this particular race or from this particular immigration status and moreover there's a question of can I trust other government organizations can I trust even local clinics with my immigration status information you want up being able to trace the ripple effects of this of this 2013 raid to about 20 a little over over 20 people didn't you so that's correct I spoke with many of the individuals who were directly impacted by the raid that means they were arrested in the morning or they were in the building when it was raided and then I spoke with their family members and then I spoke with representatives from social service organizations who support them. It's a good point that after immigration enforcement events like this sometimes it's hard to say where folks end up and how many people are deported and how many people are removed. It has this trauma and then this aura of mystery right so folks scatter folks don't want to be around the places where they think ice and police are going to arrest more people help us know what you can about where God will be in our family members are today you know like many folks after the deportation of somebody you know and somebody they depend on life kind of goes up in the air for a while right but then eventually you know as we often see there comes a time where either folks go back to work or they decide to go back to Mexico that's what but now they're decided so for now there's something I was wife after he was deported she just didn't have the income to take care of her 2 young kids and she was extremely traumatized by the event she would talk about how she had nightmares and couldn't sleep and felt like she could be a good mother anymore and. As well as many others in the book moved and that's one of the main points I took away from this work is that the rape happens arrests happen deportation happens on one day during the year right but it's the other 364 days are fundamentally shaped by that one event and we fear the traumatic event and we fear the removal and she lives every day you know with that possibility of what could happen welcome to Lopez his book separated thank you so much for being with us thank you for having me. Mary Louise Parker is in our studios she joined rave reviews for her central role in Adam raps to character drama the sound inside she plays Bella the mid fifty's English prophet jail who goes from a gray room to her grey office lighten mostly by literature and it gets a crisis of a medical diagnosis just as Christopher played by Will Hutton shows up at her door for guidance he's a freshman writing a novel she feels she needs the most intimate form of assistance it's not what you may think the sound inside is directed by David Cromer earlies Parker thanks so much for being with us thank you for having me. This is a tough but rewarding night. In the theater why did you say Bill Well I didn't 1st I wasn't sure I was the right person for it but I thought it was such a beautiful piece of writing and I did a reading of it I don't know that she was very available to me I feel like she was there in a way that I wasn't really expecting. Just most enjoyable to live in her head I think she does yeah my friend Eli is a writer he says you know interesting writing is the product of interesting thinking and I think that's where she lives in between that space between her imagination and the page and I think that's the strongest and most important relationship she has at one point Christopher the young man says you don't want you have any friends yeah. I think it's a bit overstated in that moment but I think what's more important is that he hits a nerve that has a kernel of truth in it I don't think she feels terribly close to anyone really well that raises another question that I've written down or are they lonely were they merely alone I think in this case I think they are lonely I feel like when they do find some sort of safe place in one another or some sort of free form of communication there's an energy that is released from both of them the sort of like this need to pursue that if they hadn't been in some form of self isolation and then found someone they wanted you know as company then they wouldn't necessarily be lonely I think they would just be happy with their solitude. Real nuts and bolts question. You were on stage for the entire play than talking for I don't know 80 percent of it yeah oh hers look to pull off every time . It's quite arduous but I could I really I love a challenge like that and I used to say I liked to be on stage the whole play because then I knew I would not miss an entrance. And I spent most of the plays that I've done I've been like that. This part requires a lot of technique. And most requires it because I don't want you to see the technique I want you to feel like there's a person standing there talking just just talking. And that's the hardest thing and it's is the challenge that I love actually let me ask you a little more about Christopher he. Is it fair to say that Christopher is a little bit or well I think he's wildly and secure and which usually most arrogant people are and I think he wants to impress her you quickly get a sense that there's some kind of bond of communication between them they both tell each other now you're writing they write a difference between talking already Right exactly exactly and both of them will say the wrong thing and the other one even if they have a reaction they move past it and he has an incredibly. Interesting way of expressing himself and I think that's the 1st thing that she notices and it's the thing that takes her in the most she's writing as he's speaking and she can hear that. Without giving anything away Bella asked Christopher for an extraordinary favor Yes I'm not sure favor is the word but I couldn't come up with Yeah I know it's hard and I think better and for the 1st time. I found myself disliking Bella thinking my gosh your teacher a great you shouldn't ask this agreed Yeah I understand where she's coming from and why I still think it's I think it's the wrong choice and I still think it's a flaw but you know it's impossible to play a person without flaws Yeah I'm glad to hear you say that because I haven't really heard people sort of acknowledge that. The middle lighten up the conversation briefly. Although maybe not. Is there something you did on your way here that would surprise people a job of some kind or oh yeah I had all kinds of jobs like all kinds of jobs I did telemarketing surveys I handed out perfume samples in the mall with a basket of cotton balls I remember the name of the perfume if you can believe it or not Flora Donica do you take something from each of those drops and. As you go forward as an actor each of those experiences not the truck I don't know I mean I think everyone should have to work for id of different jobs because I think you know people don't so much people approach. You know the person who delivers their groceries or the person who's taking their order and there's some other phyla So the person handing you that perfume sample could win a Tony one day it well don't you think that I just got out of the way when I would look around at people and I think that person is might be a 1000000 times more talented than me at x.y.z. There's this wonderful book called The short and tragic life of Robert piece by Jeff Hobbs it's a really profound book and for me. That's what I took away from that book is that you have no idea of someone's capacity when you encounter them. Mary Louise Parker stars in the sound and with Will Hawkman Studio 54 theater thanks so much for being with us thank you thank you so much. This is Weekend Edition from n.p.r. 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Ambassador to Ukraine recalled seeing the president referred to her as bad news it was it was a terrible moment a person who saw me actually reading the transcripts and that the color drained from my face I think you had a physical reaction a former prosecutor reduced the week's news for us also Ugandan singer and activist Bobby wine and always rallying for change in this country and Joe Henry on the songs but discouraging diagnosis put into was our 1st we have our newscast today is Saturday November 16th 2019. Live from n.p.r. News in Washington I'm Louise Schiavone Foreign Service Officer David Holmes has told House impeachment investigators he overheard a phone call from President Trump to e.u. Investor Gordon song Blood in which Trump was loudly asking about a request for Ukraine to investigate former Vice President Biden and his son the work of House impeachment investigators continues today and P.R.'s Winsor Johnson reports Mark Sandy would be the 1st employee of the White House Office of Management and Budget to cooperate with House investigators congressional Democrats had requested testimony from other o.m.b. Staffers but they all tick line to appear citing orders from the White House Counsel's Office Sandy is expected to be questioned about the agency's role in withholding nearly $400000000.00 in military aid to Ukraine President Trump is accused of using that aide as leverage to press the Ukrainian leader to investigate a political rival the House will resume public hearing. In its investigation on Tuesday when Sir Johnston n.p.r. News Washington Louisiana voters are deciding whether to give their incumbent Jim.
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Already used butter Reserve Bank of Taoists recently addressed that issue during a meeting in Oklahoma at the doubts about it are not forecasting a recession and that we are forecasting some slowing in the aggregate economy and I want to point out that our region in the Texas and Oklahoma regions are doing better than the nation generally and so I'm a little bit more optimistic about our region when. One note of caution though on that is the is the oil and gas sector which is actually quite weak right now and so in Texas we have big oil and gas sector in Oklahoma you do as well and so we do have some concerns around the oil and gas sector we talk about the economy's maybe doing a little better in this area but we still see in a lack and wages that the wages are still pretty low and not caught up with the girls the. Wage growth Yeah I wage growth is a tricky issue and you certainly see the difference in wages between rural and urban areas and so that we see in the data but I would say when we think about wage growth that we should remind ourselves that also the living costs are a lot lower in rural areas and non metropolitan areas and so certainly if we look at housing costs in those big Texas City and Dallas is no exception they're just off the charts and we've never seen house prices rise as quickly as they have in the last 10 years or for 9 years and so I think we need to adjust wages for the cost of living and then it doesn't look so bad it actually looks a lot better in the rural areas than it does in the urban areas here or Federal Reserve buying. People call me here. The u.s. Department of Agriculture is taking steps to poultry imports from China farm progress dot com says it's a sign of ongoing progress in the talks between Washington and Beijing that will hopefully lead to a resolution on their trade dispute the new regulation covers birds as well as poultry parts and products watered and certified Chinese facility. Ag secretary Sonny Perdue says his agency is making $800000000.00 available to agricultural producers in Alabama Florida and Georgia who were affected by Hurricane Michel and Florence these state block grants are part of a larger 3 $1000000000.00 package to aid producers in recovering from natural disasters and 20182019 the broader package includes the wildfire and hurricane and end of the program as well as programs for the loss of milk and stored commodities they're fantastic Bines waiting for you at the Lucas Oil a.q. A.j. 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With our 1st look at agriculture here in the breakfast show now they'll be back about 645 this morning and at that time we will summarize the catalog and green closing prices from yesterday that will be followed by the sale barn report from the Benton County seal barn where they had over 2000 head yesterday apples apples apples fresh picked from Van Zandt's own orchards bread says they have a great crop of apples this year Red Delicious golden delicious wine chap John a gold blushing gold gala Fuji and Jonathan great for cooking baking or eating for a snack also available acorn and butternut squash wheat potatoes they've got a new crop peanuts and pecans and pinto beans. That's triple p. I guess the cons peanuts Pinto big. Peddle beans on the for that and of course you want some of that famous Van Zandt's honey and sorghum apple butter jam jelly and relishes all really good and if you need fall decorations go to Van Zandt's they have beautiful moms pumpkins many pumpkins colorful gorgeous and other decorated items So folks if you enjoy fresh pick of the crop fruits and vegetables the place for you is Van Zandt's there on Highway $264.00 East at the north side of Springdale just to end 7 tons of miles east of Highway 71 business we say again you're coming down from Rogers or Bentonville or you come down through Lowell and go down to Bethel heights and go east on 264 there at Bethel heights go 2.7 miles and there's Van Zandt's if you're coming down the dick Trammell road east side of Roger's just go south to till you get to $64.00 then go east for about a mile and there's Van Zandt's and you will thoroughly enjoy the trip you'll enjoy browsing through their fruits and vegetables displays you will certainly enjoy seeing their gift shop and if you get a chance to talk to my friend Fred Flintstone Fred Van Zandt you'll enjoy that to tell a tale of Fred that the colonel sencha in. Are 22 after 6 this morning 22 minutes after 6 to do without electricity lately super storms and high wind not to mention the ice storms that will come in our upcoming winter why do without any more when you can have an all home or partial home Generac generator installed by but Anderson home services keep your family warm and safe Don't be left cold and in the dark one day install is all it takes no money down and great low monthly payments for qualified customers so-called But Anderson Homes services heating cooling electric and plumbing services 855 go call Bud or on the web at Go call Bud dot com And remember for $79.00 you get your choice of a furnace or air conditioner tune up and safety inspection were their premier dealer Dyken air intelligence and one thing as we like to get across to our listeners out there is we're not talking about like a generator that you have in your garage or you take on a picnic trip and you crank it up and fuel it and run it earing an outage we're talking about a system that would be installed that would run say off of natural gas that would automatically kick on when your power goes off and stay on until your power comes back on give you a seamless continuous power that folks gives you peace of mind and that's what you could get if you'll call our friends over it but Anderson heating plumbing cooling and Electric are at breakfast show time this morning is 23 and a half. After 6 I guess you could say this would be a newspaper. Report here this morning. I really a made a get amazed at these cartoonists because they can get you a message across with their cartoon there's one in the paper this morning on the voices page of the Democrat Gazette that shows up the trial balloon a Bloomberg is you know Bloomberg has thrown his hat into the ring I guess he he got on the ballot here in Arkansas but they show the Bloomberg trial balloon and it has hit the sidewalk so hard that it is cracked the sidewalk in all directions. I guess that is shall we say a commentary on what they think of Mr Bloomberg chances in the upcoming election then the one that I really like is a cartoon showing that Amir Putin he's sitting in his chair which has Putin on the back of it he doesn't have a shirt on and on his right bicep there he's got. Tattooed in big letters Magna make America great again. There's a container of popcorn over here on the left big container of popcorn looks like bad Amir has his boots on and combat type pants on and then here's the screen he's watching t.v. And he is. Watching the impeachment hearings and the the byline they're breaking u.s. News and it shows the House of Representatives in a big fisticuffs out there and here's dad a mere smiling from ear to ear as he puts up the popcorn in his in his mouth. But I like that mega tattoo on his on his right. Shoulder so to speak what a lot of the elites cartoonists they do a great job you really do indeed coming up on 26 minutes and there's a there's also why we're talking about this there's also a letter in this morning's. Letter to the editors that raises some interesting questions the headline What do we call him and here's the deal if by some wild scenario Pete booted Jed were be elected president of the United States since he is married to a man how would this person be addressed 1st gentleman 1st man 1st person or what now the article goes on to and I won't get into this but it goes on to cite the Bible in historical religious beliefs and about how this would go against the Joe It's a God fearing principle that we have here in America when God says something is wrong I do my best to avoid it I'm fearful of God He says. But he says what does this say about Buddha Jed his supporters those who vote for him he is now number 4 on the totem pole than Joe Biden Elizabeth Warren Bernie Sanders he says he is asked daily about his sexuality this is written by a lady from Pangburn Cherie snow so I liked that question here and I mentioned that before 1st gentleman 1st man 1st person or was. Pete booted Jed very slick talking guy the most articulate candidate out there but as we have a pint in the kernel is full of opinions as you well know we've opined in the past that we don't think quo America's quite to the point of shall we say electing. Somebody such as Pete booted Jed but we'll see we'll see all right here is a guy that comes in on Saturday mornings and does a call in show in automotive subjects and we bring you in every morning on the breakfast show. With another company minute have you ever played charades you know that part of game where teams give clues to titles of books songs and movies Well when I come back I'll teach you how to play the automotive version. 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And the car clinic minute of feature each morning on the breakfast show Speaking of cars and let me tell you about an incident that I had this morning and you run that up the flagpole with yourself as I was turning on to the dick travel highway down in the Bethel Heights area I just happened to notice the car ahead of me as it turned into the same direction was a Buffalo police car what then happened was the guy proceeds to drive whoever's operating that. Car this morning drives 30 miles an hour in a 45 miles own. And I said to my wife I said. Do you think he's giving us an invitation. And she said what you mean I said an invitation to pass him on this yellow line and for quite a while all the way up to the Bethel Heights exit on the dick Trammell road he drives 30 miles an hour in a 45 mile zone as you know. Passing on that road on that yellow line is is a no no and I just got the feeling that this police officer either that he didn't want to return to the station prematurely or he was giving the colonel an invite and you don't suppose if I would have accepted that and passed him on that yellow line that he would have then tested out his lights he would a little me up right something to think about there maybe a kind of a subtle technique there. We're coming up on 29 minutes until 7 and we're going to get you right back out to c.b.s. This morning for a minute's worth of update probably they'll talk about the shooting what a tragic situation out in California by golly c.b.s. News update police are detailing a shooting at Saugus high school just north of Los Angeles in Santa Clarita 2 students were killed 4 were wounded including the 16 year old suspected gunman who is in critical condition. David Begnaud is at the school the sheriff says the gunman acted alone but they really have no motive to explain why he would have ever done this in the 1st place the sheriff says a suspect used a handgun and at the scene they found a magazine which was empty the sheriff says every bullet was used on the students except the last one that the gunman used on itself students are still in shock. You know because I heard the gunshots in clear 14 year old Samaritan or and her twin sister Mika were there I just saw him fire 123. And I my 1st instinct was to get out of there and find my sister c.b.s. News update I'm all right Deborah thank you my wife and I were talking about that this morning and I said you know this is the kind of thing that there's no defense for if you really get right down to it because it took about 15 or 16 seconds for all of this to happen kid pulls out his firearm out of the backpack and begins to shoot Now obviously the police now are scrambling they're looking for clues on his social media activities they're going to talk to people who knew him trying to get out. Hand to hand alone on what could be the motive here but you know if we've got people out here in society who are mentally disturbed there is there is really in these cases nothing that can be done except maybe to detect that firearm before he got into the school with it but last 16 seconds you can't the police resource officer could be in the same room he could be over on the other side of the room and just would not have had time to stop this so. No amount of of alertness could prevent this and it's a shame that we do have people in our society who are so frustrated and shallow as a. A mental frame that they are desperate and suicidal or have these kind of emotional. Deficiencies that that we've got to worry about this and you think about kids who go to school and who are well adjusted from nice families and they've got a look around with their head on a swivel so to speak to be sure that somebody in their midst is not. 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Now I've not heard anything other than some of these guys really were hungry. Big eaters big eaters O'Carroll electrical lineman so for delicious home style food call on Sam's that's Sam's catering and of course you'll enjoy great food any day anytime for example lunch specials are available each week in the evening all you can eat ribs 1199 with 2 side orders in Texas toast our special on the board today's spaghetti now they have great breakfast for you right now they are serving breakfast all you can eat pancakes serve with hash browns bacon or sausage for 799 you can get a couple eggs served with hash browns or home fries your choice of toast or biscuits and gravy I was over there yesterday morning and this is a lovely waitress really I don't know what her name is but she is a really sharp looking lady and she says when you eat it centered in Colonel what do you get and I said Well usually I get the special but I tell you what I got the last time was a couple of eggs over easy I had breakfast in the middle of the Day Oh Ok. Now they also have made with 3 eggs and served with hash browns or home fries and your choice of toast or biscuits and gravy so come on over and I hear the places folks Sam's diner is in centered on their own highway one all to the north and west edge of town while to the highway west edge of town center and they open at 6 there they've been open here for about 40 minutes the Rogers locations opens at 630 and that's on Highway 12 east just past the tracks and just past Garner building supplies will come on over when you see David you tell him that the colonel sencha in there would you do that for me please and tell those waitresses hello they are they are really neat you really are all right stand by for news I am Jack with bank my goal today play an epic drum solo here we go 123. Maybe I should have let an expert help me accomplish my goal for your financial goals our best is the expert we can help you. Get prequalified in person or on your phone. Trust the experts trust our. 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Good morning courage was the Arkansas Department of Transportation blasted rock along Interstate 49 Thursday several lanes were closed during the blasting to keep drivers say it's the 1st step in getting the new battle theirs to bypass energy bill that will connect our console Missouri Curry's work into areas open up the hillside around 491 is from north of slaughter Bay and road State Highway 549 the 2nd by a sitting happened in state highway $549.00 from the roundabout to pay Georgia growed Arkansas state police handle the traffic and it was stopped for at least 15 minutes for crews to clear debris from the road construction project coordinator Brian Powell said the rock blasting is necessary to make it suitable for road construction drivers can expect several blast and traffic delays through today the whole blasting operation is probably going to be around 40 and I will have about 40 blast to go on some days I'll have one blast some days I'll have about to bias the 66600000 dollar project inclusionary 3 miles of 2 Lang road bridges and the battle this to bypass interchange on u.s. Highway 5492 more blasting will happen today between gain am and 2 pm a child and a young woman were killed and 2 injured in a 2 car crash on u.s. 71 nearby in Vail Missouri Wednesday night the Missouri State Highway Patrol says 19 year old name o. Omar and 6 year old boy both from no were killed the highway patrol says 24 year 0 a month Omer of know was driving south on us 71 and tried to make a u. Turn to go north her car was hit by northbound car driven by 44 year old Kelly Lovett of Goodman a moment a boy were pronounced dead at the scene of the crash Amano murder received moderate injuries and was taken in northwest Regional Medical Center in Bentonville a law that received serious injuries or mistaken emerged. Hospital in Springfield Fairview Elementary School in Rogers was evacuated Thursday morning after smoke was found in the building students teachers and staff were forced to leave the building around 11 am with the Rogers fire department rushed to the school to investigate where the smoke was coming from and it was determined the smoke was caused by a short in a light fixture scene was clear no students allowed to return to class no injuries reported how a Christian was called to the school to fix the live picture the McDonald County School gave a push forward last night to a proposed Fieldhouse anaphylactic but still did McDonald County High School an Anderson School Superintendent Dr Mark Stanton says the Borg a preliminary approval to 2 options for the sport complex and are looking at a 3rd of the board approved Schematic design process for at facilities a and b. a Is the new field house for our home. Lockers for football. Story age. So that is a is inside the high school they are taking the air behind the stage and converting it into locker rooms and coach space as well as storage. Yeah we're still developing c. But c. Is for the other athletes it is sets there where the concession and restroom area is. Still under development these are preliminary price and now we that's part of what tonight was about is to continue the design process of building say and other innovation and be inside the school so that we can get to pricing Stainton So as a project to build a tornado resist In addition no level Mentri school is on track Fema shelter at no primary is on schedule and Bob reported that there were 6 when. Days but they have taken that into account substantial completion is still July 1st 2029 notice there are some very deep trenches which are the fittings for the for those large the walls that would stand the tornado pressure the board also approved a $100000.00 grant that would develop a health cooperative with the school district Freeman Hospital and the always dark ale sinner really health green and with Freeman been as Rene didn't from Freeman talked about Freeman is a piece of this pie just like Madonna can schools is the Ozark Center and other health organizations but it's to help provide health services for our students in the dollar can schools and so the 1st year is what they call the planning stage so there is. A series of steps that will Curran the application process they spend many days planning of the different services that they would provide and then if the school district were to get the grant it would we would know I believe they said in May and it was start July 1st 11 big component of this is. Trying to provide more mental health services for students in the dollar can schools my math is correct if you've got everything going to be about a $1000000.00 over 4 years I. Didn't come here for the yes very per year per year so it would be. Mad don't know the exact dollar amount but it is a significant amount of funding as well as support services for our students and down can being flooded the districts in Crawford just been repaired the board held their meeting in it last night in our main as crew in all our custodial groups. And even outside construction groups but put the pieces back together for our central office 3.0 and we. Survive the flood in the end put in a few extra special technology pieces in our new central office so we're glad to be back and 3 board positions will be up for election next spring the filing period begins December 13th and goes through January 23rd every year about this time we announce all the filing date so we have 3 incumbents that are up for reelection in . Dr Scott Goldstein Beth bucking him and. Jeff Cooper in the filing date service right around the corner in December elections would be more. County School Superintendent Dr Mark Stanton. China has lifted its 4 year old ban on poultry an egg imports from the United States United States trade representative Robert blanks here and u.s. Secretary of agriculture Sonny Perdue say the Chinese action is great news for both American farmers and China consumers they say China was an important export market with $1000000000.00 for American boat reformers and lifting the ban will create new export opportunities for poultry farmers and support thousands of workers employed by the u.s. Bulge industry China banned all u.s. Poultry and eggs in January 25th came because of an avian influenza outbreak that decimated commercial chicken and turkey flocks in the central United States u.s. Officials say the industry has been free from the avian flu since 2017 but it had not resulted in a resumption of train analysts say the Chinese government has been under pressure to lift the ban despite the 2 year trade in care for the u.s. Because the African swine flu caused a man to die off of Chinese dogs and cut the amount of protein available to consumers they say lifting the poultry ban is helpful it doesn't necessarily mean an overall breakthrough in the u.s. China trade and care for the United States is the world's 2nd largest poultry act border with global exports of poultry mate and products of 4300000000 Lions year analysts say lifting the ban will be a clear positive for chicken Giants Tyson Foods Pilgrim's Pride and Sanderson Farms they say lifting the ban would raise chicken process in the u.s. Tyson Foods c.e.o. Nola White says his company which is operations in China is ready to meet the increase the man in Washington d.c. Congressman Steve Womack co-chair the congressional chicken caucus released the following statement on China's decision. And to lift its ban on both tree invoiced from the United States today's announcement is welcome news for Arkansas and farmers across the United States our hardworking poultry producers help feed and fuel the world and strong market access is critical to supporting jobs and economic growth I look forward to seeing our farmers and local businesses take advantage of renewed export opportunities way must also continue standing up for u.s. Workers and Arkansas's Hagler culture economy by passing the USA m.c.a. And securing modernize trade deals across all sectors and a statement from Womack Arkansas all ranks 2nd in the nation and chicken production and 3rd in the nation in Turkey production with the 3rd district being the 5th highest producing poultry district in the United States for car News I'm Tommy old for reporting All right Tommy Thank you Tommy Elmore in with our news this morning and I'll tell you what is apparent I'm not sure that you all are you're all that excited about. One of your offspring chairing a chicken caucus. Although I think in this case we can say that it was a poultry deal it was a poultry deal hey Rick Thunderbird of pro tire and automotive center in Springdale . Invites you over to see their new $14000.00 square foot addition on the corner of 40 of them the code is St which is now open and functional That's right they've got 17 work areas in there under one roof and of course they still have their old 5 they work area so they can work on an entire fleet of vehicles plus individual units all at one time and besides that they could do a con currently. So come on over you know understand that Tommy same time same same time same place. And here's what I say in all seriousness when you go into pro tire and automotive you are you're going to see and feel a personalized interest in your vehicle that's so important to to deal with somebody who looks at you it and they say I want to take care of this guys or this gas car I want to have a personal interest in their satisfaction in that's the feeling that you'll get a pro tire and automotive Now when it comes to tires they are your Michelin and master craft certified dealer and when you buy a set of tires they will give you a free front in the line but as a bonus Well that's a valuable bonus it'll help those tires last longer right they've added some equipment there the hunter Hawkeye elite alignment machine they've got a new freon machine that they put in there so these these folks are equipped both personnel wise and equipment wise to do you the type of job that you'll be proud of and again I point out to their personalized interest their personalized service that you will receive when you walk into that place so regardless of what type of repair or service you need from a total engine overhauls tune ups brake work muffler work whatever this is the place and you tell Rick when you see him with a kernel sense and there you're going to be really really pleased with the reception you get at Pro tire and automotive you're going to call me and say Colonel you are right that's the place that's the place now they're at $3818.00 the coldest place and 40th Street in Springdale and here's their phone number 479-756-8100 they open it 730 every morning one through Friday 732534 your convenience. All right let's look at our sale barn report that's Up next all the weather outside may be frightful but the values it pal feed in milling are delightful stop in and see our large selection of heated items for your pets and livestock and more important for you super s. Green concentrated antifreeze and super s green 5050 and a freeze diesel fuel supplement that will disperse water prevent fuel filter icing and prevents jelling home basics milk house utility heater with a quick set thermostat internal sensor super s. Starting fluid for a fan start on these cold mornings learn about our products and locations at w.w.w. Dot pal feed stores dot com Visit pal feed in Harrison green forest Siloam Springs flip in Huntsville Berryville yell Ville and in Bowden and have a great Thanksgiving now let's go to our report this week they had 2101000 head yesterday over at Siloam Springs $888.00 feeders compared to last week features cheers and bowls mostly set in a 5 lower instances $8.00 lower except the better 352400 lb steers one through 2 higher 552600 lb bulls were $4.00 higher feeder Havers mostly said to to hire except the better $350.00 to $450.00 lb hers in the 552600 50 lb hers were one to 4 lower cows and bulls not reported to the time and here are some of the prices Peter stares medium and large ones averaging 315 pounds average 17235. 424 pounders average 16601574 pounds chairs 14394 we had some 629 pounders that were on weaned 300 that they brought a $1.34 we had some $765.00 pound steers unweaned if you can believe that the $1.15 we had with one steer that way the 1055 . $1055.00 pound brought a dollar and 25 cents a pound pretty good price there for a huge steer heifers $333.00 pound weights brought $14030.00 to $427.00 pounders average 14258. $564.00 pounders $12334.00 we had $580.00 lb fleshy heifers abroad $115.00 and we had some $753.00 pounders that brought a $1.18 and $3.00 had an average $875.00 pounds it brought a dollar 7 feet or bowls medium and large ones averaging $324.00 broad 16505474 lb bowls brought $151.00 of the 3 had some on when the $637.00 pounders had brought $12053.00 we had one that weight $855.00 as broad a $1.31 that weighed $915.00 that brought a dollar and 20 $0.02 a pound and we did not have any. Kalki payer reports we did not have any slaughter cows we did not have any slaughter bulls because of the fact that the reporter is on the clock and he left before the sale was over total of 210-1000 head yesterday at Siloam Springs Let's check the news. This is news from the Oklahoma News Network going to stay it is speaking out about renegotiating travel gaming compacts at issue now is whether the current compacts which were signed 15 years ago expire at the end of the year or automatically renew as the tribes contend a proposed 4 percent cost of living adjustment for retirees in Oklahoma's $7.00 state pension plans comes under the microscope during an interim study this afternoon at the state capitol the heads of all the states retirement systems have been invited to take part in the study tells the police say an herb or driver has a admitted to raping an intoxicated woman he drove home and then returning to her house 2 hours later and assaulting her again Steve Whitesell is main charged with rape forcible sodomy and burglary I'm sun Carey Yes it is a great day to be alive and out and about wonderful day to maybe take a look at some cars some new cars or our trucks and we've got just a guy this morning that can help shall we say take you on a tour of some good automobile values were let's go up to Castille this morning and visit with there and Jacobs here for just a moment there and give us a report. Well Colonel I'm going to break a rule this morning a personal rule and I'm going to use the Christmas word for Thanksgiving All right . I just prefer 2008006 Ford Mustang g.t. Premium convertible is a little right it's got. Some miles on it it's black it's got a black top it's a locally owned car and talk about a wonderful surprise under the Christmas tree wink wink got a one line for 9995 or not that's a really nice car and that's a distinctive looking automobile too in well and this is the g.t. So it's the big v 8 and it's the one that will get with the program and go fast but to have a convertible at that price especially coming into this parade season in this Christmas season that's a pretty good value you know I'm kind of impressed with the variety of trade ins that you're getting up there you are you're out wheeling and dealing it sounds to me like business is good rebates are coming on strong for year in clearance. You know everybody's got sticker shock on these but they don't realize. They have to climb the ladder and I use citrate differences now are about as the same as they were 10 years ago so you're saying that while the sticker on these a new cars are up so is the value in the trade in exactly everything she shifted a little bit uphill terrorist trading we're still doing gives it payments people can afford and we're excited about the season we're excited about that year in clearance it's just a great time to r. And of course all of your inventory is online unless Jacobs for dot com I think the 1st step for listeners would be to go online and check your inventory there but they need to get up and come in spend some time talk with you and your sales staff there and really be able to deal with one of the great automotive franchises in the in the country and you guys work hard to keep it that way don't you we sure do Colonel invite people to take a look at all the different tracks we talked about on Tuesday 16 Toyota to come I've got a couple of late model dodges I've got an 11 after a 50 with Hey bet I've got a wonderful selection right the place folks is less Jacobs Ford Castle Missouri on line list Jacobs ford dot com Thanks and have a great weekend Colonel you do the same sir all right thank you and remember the colonel drives a les Jacobs car and so should you. At the Maaco outdoor Kemo sample sale there will be every type of outdoor apparel you can imagine you'll find thoughtfully designed quality built and field tested outdoor gear at incredible savings come see apparel that's designed by folks who've spent countless chilly mornings in duck blind and tree stance she outdoor wear that's functional in the field all about helping to stay comfortable in uncomfortable situations it's quality yet it doesn't break the bank come to make all outdoor camels sample sale Thursday November 21st and Friday November 22nd 7 am to 3 pm at 12 o 2 Melissa drive Bentonville you'll find camel apparel hunting boots gloves fishing shirts and camp chairs all on sale at Maaco outdoors 12 old to Melissa Dr Bentonville Thursday November 21st Friday November 22nd You're listing to Kermit k u r m Rogers Springdale and Bentonville and k u r e m f a o m 100.3 rabbit South was city's Siloam Springs and our Huntsville translator 97.5 on your f.m. Dial it's k 2 for a d.m. California school shooting that we're all in this town and they're all recovering and healing Democrats turn up the heat. President pushes back we did nothing wrong and they're doing nothing swift response. In music moral outrage is about the ownership. This is c.b.s. News on The Hour real news real reporting Good morning I'm Steve Case and there's grief and a hunt for answers in southern California after yesterday's high school shooting that left 2 students dead and 3 injured. There were tears in tributes for the victims at a vigil last night c.b.s. .
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Says a social media post on one of its verified accounts categorizing feminism as a form of extremism was a mistake it says The post wasn't officially sanctioned sebastián our share reports from Riyadh the short animated clip put out on social media equated homosexuality and atheism as well as feminism to jihadist ideology as forms of potential extremism that video warns Saudis to remain vigilant against such ideas state security is now said that the video was not given official sanction and that it was a mistake that won't be repeated the agency also said it was taking legal action against a Saudi newspaper over an article suggesting that feminism could be punished by flogging and imprisonment a blast in the Afghan capital Kabul has killed at least 7 people and wounded a number of others a car bomb exploded on the streets near the interior ministry your thought is in Gaza say 2 more people have been killed in Israeli airstrikes as Palestinian militants continue to fire rockets across the border 12 people are known to have died in the Palestinian territory news from the b.b.c. a Suspected suicide bomber has attacked the police headquarters in the Indonesian city of May down in north Sumatra a police spokesman said the attacker had been killed in the blast and a number of officers wounded a report on the human rights of non religious people has found the blasphemy remains a crime in 69 countries and penalties are being tough and in some the annual Freedom of thought report by the organization humanists International says blasphemy is now punishable by death in Brunei and Mauritania. Officials in the Australian state of Queensland have ordered the immediate evacuation of several communities threatened by approaching bushfires Thankfully the popular tourist resort of new set temperatures have reached 36 degrees Celsius in the area far fight is say they're tackling about $150.00 blazes in Queensland since a further south in New South Wales temperatures there have fallen but a senior far Officer Shane Fitzsimmons says the situation remains serious we will not have always far as can time and locked up for many many ways given the enormity of the of our falling in unfortunately and what we need is meaningful Ryan and there is certainly nothing in the forecast for the foreseeable future is going to make any discernible difference to the conditions that we are experiencing a massive cold air from the Arctic is causing record breaking low temperatures across the u.s. States including Kansas and Illinois have seen heavy snow and ice with temperatures dropping to minus 18 Celsius in some areas the National Weather Service said the cold front was moving towards the east coast and a Japanese space probe that spin on a number president to mission to take samples from a distant asteroid is returning home the high Abu said to have arrived on the rock last year after 300000000 kilometer journey b.b.c. News. Thank you for the latest news Hello welcome to New Day from the b.b.c. World Service Laurence Pollard and McDonnell with you we're going to be heading to Hong Kong and Venice shortly sport and business news also on the way in the next half hour I will also be talking to one of the youngsters who took to the stage last night at London's Royal Albert Hall with an opera piece a spoken word as well it's called Full Circle it was a piece entirely written and composed by young people exploring issues from knife crime to gang violence young people representing themselves and putting the record straight they'll be joining us here in the studio if you want to get in touch please do you can send us a text or whatsapp message on anything you hear here on News Day We love to hear from you the number is this plus 447-786-2050 extension 85. A dramatic scenes from Hong Kong overnight in the police warning that the rule of law has been pushed to quote the brink of total collapse that comes after 5 months of protests we've had in the past few days of course a protester shot at point blank range in a critical condition shot by police and are all schools are going to be closed for safety reasons some of the worst scenes overnight were at the Chinese University of Hong Kong where police fired tear gas used water cannon again students who responded with bricks and petrol bombs. While these people explained why they were demonstrating our force will come together as one to gather here to stop every man during our candidates obviously. Our cameras that real thing here I do not know if they have a have the warrant to get into the campus to do what they think is the correct and this is how I want. You to protect us the question. So they. Fight him with 000000. 0000 residents still I know this thank you. And sadly of course the events have left people in critical condition the activists shot at point blank one pro Beijing supporter being set on fire by anti-government protesters we've been speaking to Jamil and Illini who is the Asia editor of The Financial Times based in the city spoke to him a little bit earlier and he was on the streets in the central business district I'm actually standing on the corner of Central and the famous street none quite Paul really right in the very heart of the essential business district of Hong Kong the financial district on call and all around me are luxury watch stores and on another famous brand however just another 20 minutes from me is the police cordon the police about 1015 minutes ago raced through in a Catholic operation knocking over office workers arresting people pepper spraying firing. Rubber bullets and they read several dozen people make them crouch on the ground all of many of them and. Then and tie it's really extraordinary thing in the central business district of one of the world's really largest financial districts and if you can hear around me that they're angry crowd that retreated somewhat but really you know chanting very angrily at the at the police line one of the more. I very rude were sent in the jimmy to listen for heaven's sake do be careful where you are don't put yourself at risk but one thing that really stands out is your comment that these are not people around you the kind of the what you might think of the traditional protest as the kind of the black clad students the the militants or the radical wing These are people who work in business what is all this meaning for Hong Kong businesses this is the most extraordinary thing to witness is that I went out to one of the black eye. Young people there are some of them. They got arrested or chased away by the police and I went up and interviewed one of them is that now I work at a bank I work in the corporate department of a major global bank he was dressed the talent. Here with a helmet and a gas mask and full blackout so what's extraordinary to witness here is just the. Spread support actually even after the horrific violent acts that we've seen widespread among Hong Kong people at our estimate something like 70 to 80 percent support even after all this violent Now of course the business. Situation here is dire and it's getting worse by the day there are very few people think that he survives on the financial. And tourism is all but gone. And if we think back to like the umbrella protests for example there was a sense that ordinary working people after a while lost patience with the disruption to their life they kind of thought this is these are students these are professional demonstrators that division doesn't appear to be happening this time with no sign of the political situation what does business do because business runs Hong Kong has massive influence the oligarchs and so on it's a huge part of life there what does business want to happen does it push towards a solution or is it just watching helpless. I think watching helpless is a very apt description of the situation for the business community any Many of the tycoons a very probation they're very supportive of the government no matter what because they obviously been massive beneficiaries of the of the system here but if they come out too strongly in support of the government the police or Beijing they're liable to have their businesses in the city targeted so we've seen. Very widespread vandalism and violence but very hard at the businesses where that the protesters believe a probation or part of the government so for example I was just standing again another 50 meters away from here a bank of communications the mainland. Central government owned state owned bank branch totally smashed in and destroyed right next to a city bank completely untouched so you can see there's a there's a real concern among the here that if you say anything if you appear to be supporting any side you're. Likely to face repercussions from somebody. And the leading the Asia editor of the f.t. In Hong Kong the f.t. Of course you may remember also got into trouble with I think your meals previous s. Are losing his visa right because of controversy over some of the conversations that the f.t. Had been hosting thanks to him Jimmy and the Leni in the central business district in Hong Kong. These days in the b.b.c. World Service Lawrence and Clare the Italian city of Venice has been hit by its highest tide in more than 50 years tourists have been wading through flooded streets to seek shelter but of course it's not just the tourists that are affected chain the muster heads we are here Venice which seeks to safeguard a living city and protect its inhabitants she's also environmental scientists and joins us now welcome to Day Good morning how bad is it. Right now the water level has subsided but later today it's going to rise up quite high again and and over the coming days that the flooding in Venice is caused by the when strong winds that push more water into the lake. So I mean lots of people are saying it's environmental this critics of the huge cruise ships as well very very didn't help either and this has been an ongoing battle hasn't for years it's getting worse the government there have tried many things that mobile barriers to bring them in why hasn't anybody got on top of this problem is it a problem that you can actually get on top of it's definitely a problem that we can't get on top of. 53 years ago there was a huge flood. Like the one we had last night 10 years after that less than 10 years after that they came around to the decision that Venice needed some a flood barrier system and a whole lot of other interventions to make the lagoon more resilient in the face of strong winds and to reduce the effects of extreme events and the frequency of flooding so this was no news of what's happened. Nothing has happened except the wrong things they started building the mobile barriers in 2003 using an engineering approach that was never going to work there were strong critics at the time and it was just arrogant governance from Rome to try to impose this on Venice and and as a result it was 10 years later that one of the biggest corruption scandals in Italy was exposed associated with these barriers that was 2014 so as an environmental scientists you think Absolutely even with global global warming even with rising sea levels if mines were put together in the right way there is a way of designing mobile barriers that would protect Venice is that what you're saying. I'm certain the Venice can be defended from flooding I'm certain that is there a technical logical and engineering capabilities that can protect Venice what we need is better governance than is to make it possible for the best minds to be put to work and for money spent efficiently and effectively on looking after this city chain having the right to talk to you we are going to have to leave it there but thank you so much there you see she is saying there is a will there is a way that maybe the will just isn't that cohesive saying that the most oh they're heading up the group we are here fellas The pictures are quite extraordinary right up to the way standing in front of St Marks in the square with people policeman tourists right up to their middles in water it's 17 minutes past the hour now this is terrific it's how Ross of course it is we're talking about the environmental impact of Formula one yesterday and how difficult it is to make that greener now we're talking about football in the medium of wildlife corridors carsharing and Moss houses this is all the Premier League clubs its way its ways of them being greener who's done well being green in the Premier League for the biggest names actually both Manchester clubs are still top in them all scoring 8 out of 8 right categories a maximum of one point category actually 10 of the clubs that's half of them scored 7 or more so it's quite positive however I say huge but it is limited to looking at whether clubs have got initiatives it doesn't say what kind of carbon footprint the clubs have or Igs exactly the kind of impact each of these measures has on the clubs just an indication of whether clubs are aware of the impacts and whether they're trying to address those and what are the sort of the areas that they're looking at an interesting list isn't it Burnley tops for me they deserve the rose it yeah I love this so one of the. Areas a sustainable transport and you've got Ashley Pond and Ashley Westwood Both Bernie players who've bought a mini bus and they share the driving of pool players to and from training on a daily basis sustainable transport for Burnley take one point in their answer sadly they probably drive their mini Bentleys to the car park and then get into a minibus but still but again that's not counted because it's just about whether there's an initiative in place there he say all 20 clubs actually did get a ticket for sustainable transport and also a tick for removable the removal sorry of single use plastics other categories clean energy energy efficiency waste management water efficiency low carbon food options and communication My favorite is Tottenham who've installed a green roof literally plants on the roof of their training ground so they can collect the water from it and have a green space who did worst of all of it but why because they're not doing anything or they got the 2 points as they all did for those 2 categories I mentioned sustainable transport and removal of plastics they've done some web pieces on the facts they're getting rid of single use plastics that got them half a point that's all 2 and a half points out of 8 no one else scored under 4 major little notes for myself nor each have a borehole insert own joke here it's called Carrow Road Oh yes I'll show you I asked only use renewable other tricity they need more energy on the pitch it is a bit of a gift to this but I think tops for me is Burnley and there are many buses in it oh yeah absolutely love and the funny thing is fans do care about this there's a poll on the b.b.c. Website at the moment where you can see the entirety of this 12 percent disagree to any extent about whether this is important 59 takes the most right hand side box strongly agree that they care about what their clubs we do many thanks indeed for the sport after all that had Let's have a little musical interlude. So dexterous Jimi Hendrix there we're talking business use how Yvonne are we squeezing the great man into our business news this morning was short we are doing our best so u.s. Company fend has just brought out a new version of Stratocaster elect to get Tell 1st produced in 1950 s. Is been played by many of the world's most famous rock musicians way hearings in the Hendrix we know Eric Clapton David Gilmore George Harrison just to name a few so what do you do when you are selling a classic because you know one of the rules of the modern business is the things that you have to grow you have to improve So here's the boss a friend and a Moonie explaining how you make a classic better. We serve working musicians and it's really about listening to what. The basic form very difficult to improve upon because it was done so well but we really try to modify every single nuance of the Get There is a fundamentally different shape one we've never done before we've rounded the edges of the fretboard to make it quicker to go up and down and make it more comfortable and player sounds pretty much everything 6 am except. Feel with. The place. 'd where Jimmy played. He played it through distortion pedals he got unbelievable feedback it was a very noisy set up on stage a lot of contemporary musicians don't want their demands I think are even more. Than the musicians are forward and they don't want buzz on stay. You've got to be perpetually listening to consumer feedback and it's the same offender we have to listen intently to the feedback that we get from working musicians every single part of the product should be 0 really high caliber quality and embraced by working musicians at the highest level. And we were mentioning in the last hour Ivana how Fender we heard the c.e.o. There are reaching out to a whole new female audience on behalf of new players all female that's true and men definitely not only ones who are amazing guitarist so let's end on some music by these fantastic Australian guitarists Orianthi who rehearse and Michael Jackson on his ill fated this is it tall and told with Alice Cooper she's seen as one of the greatest in the wild. Real thing what a player I'd like to give a Sappho to Carol Kaye as well one of my favorite female guitarists somebody right Bonnie Raitt's you know the intro to Wichita Lineman that is Carol cake on the crop she's a genie Yeah right Molnar like now but this time it's involving 1000 youngsters in one of the most famous venues here in London the Royal Albert Hall this was an opera involving 700 kids I think of up just about up to a 1000 we're going to check in just a moment put together by an organize a full circle basically and it was written and invented with the words and the music and the stories of young people from East London is a listen let me talk to some of those involved. Right 1st Judas Webster just explain what we're listening to say if you would that is obviously a must chorus of who how many kids are we listening to there so that was one item in every large Come sit and there would be about $650.00 young people in in that item which is full circle but the whole concert had a 2000 with the idea come from. Well the the actual community opera that was. Done in workshops in new m. And. All the content of it came from the young people themselves which is relevant to the place where they live and here's one of them sitting beside you bring it alley Hi Alan I Could we hear you remark clip we were in my state last night of Riyadh How was it on stage the role of a hole it was amazing it's like a one in the left arm opportunity it's not suffocate everything now or certainly no I've never done it incredible Now tell us how you got involved and why you wanted to what did you write about what did you want to put out there to the audience so. I go to welcome to school and where the workshop where we are writing lyrics and they told us a story and then John helped us write the lyrics made us feel comfortable and. Did journey was amazing I mean we've both songs perform in the Stratford. And then the really our boy who would of never before we would have came this far I'm not did you want to write about as I know you think sometimes it's slightly unfair how you know we in the media present young people the kind of things we talk about what I'm what did you want to talk about I wanted to talk about how it's not just about gun violence knife crime people are never really we can work together we can do stuff it's not just knife crime violence you know one of the barriers. Even they are in the news is because of violence but we wanted to put them on the news for something good certainly done that you certainly don't absolutely amazing I mean logistically how do you get a 1000 kids to sort of. I have trouble with one you're dealing with a fountain and the model doesn't do what I say how do you get able to do it well if it's actually been around for nearly 50 years so you have a bit of a Syrian. And it is very special I mean as Ali will say so in the hole we have to state is so you'll be familiar with the main stage but we also put a 2nd stage in the in the center so we can get a lot of performers in in and out but it is kind of quite an operation with the people who are it how do you how do you choose the music I mean what what what you know what we were talking about Michael Jackson we're talking about great shredding guitarists What are you into what music did you want to put your words to business to tally yeah oh. They got told the story of all boy and he. Turned away from the good stuff and left join the gang. So Lonely we had figured out the lyrics and so the 1st song was about feeling all part of some think and feeling not to give us a wee stick like bricks. The 2nd song was like being locked away not just in prison but like being locked away from like your family your friends like turning away from all of that and then the last song. It's. Well edging these goals and getting their life it sounds great Tell us what's great about living in new What's the new him the rest of us don't I mean is very diverse which is amazing you meet different people I mean in somebody who is just like Joe Miller Joe it is just yeah but in no I'm you have a you have African Yeah you have everything there you have different musics as well because everyone's got their own thing and they all take their own thing what do you listen to school you in your mates. They'll climb. Very easy London Grimes find us really that's the kind of thing that you would you would listen to that you'd pass around with your friends than anything why does that appeal. If you. Give us a recommendation I promise to. Listen to. Change Ok. And is that what you did. To your performance. A bit but. The performance was the harmonies. One. And then just. As wonderful it's been wonderful meeting you thank you for coming in to such a late night with a bit of the school day for you. Thank you for coming in and talking to these they have thanks for joining us distribution a b.b.c. World Service in the us is supported by. Helping organisations reduce risk of the cyber security by partnering with trusted to find and fix software before criminals can exploit them. And for helping traders find opportunity in currency trading for. Your world trade for a significant risk of loss. Because this episode of the interest of the oh we're going into the mine in the process as one of the leading designers with their street work culture Jeff staple What do you want we want me to do what's in it for you once I understand that as a designer it's like getting the brief from the client and then I already have created like the box and parameters of which I can work in and then I try to fill that with the best possible creative in the studio for the b.b.c. World Service with muscle Bobbito Garcia as we spent time with Jeff staple b.b.c. News with Gerry Smit the former president of Bolivia a very Morales his step down on Sunday has condemned as unconstitutional an Opposition senators declaration that she was interim president Mr Morale is who's been given asylum in Mexico said it was part of a devious rightwing coup the deputy head of the Bolivian Senate Jeanine a n Yes they quote herself head of state saying she was in next in line under the Constitution following the resignation of all senior members of the Moran us administration. Major protests so non rest have brought parts of Hong Kong to a standstill for the 3rd day running for does dizzying gazed in street battles with riot police office workers and medical staff have joined the demonstrations that mare of the Italian city of Venice has said that the severe flooding was the result of climate change which will leave a permanent mark the flooding is the worst in 50 years St Mark's Square was under a meter of water on Tuesday night at least 7 people have been killed all civilians in a truck bomb attack in the Afghan capital Kabul at least one of the Dead was a child heading to school officials say the target was a vehicle owned by a Canadian security firm. Israeli air strikes have killed 2 more people in Guards or as Palestinian militants continue to fire rockets across the border 12 people are now known to have died in the Palestinian territory officials in the Australian state of Queensland have ordered the immediate evacuation of several communities threatened by approaching bushfires being clearly the popular tourist resort of new search and a report on the human rights of non-religious people has found the blasphemy remains a crime in 69 countries and penalties are being toughened in some b.b.c. News. When you think of New York street where and snigger culture it's very hard to not include Jeff into that conversation . He doesn't really differ from who years and what he represents what the brand represents. He's not designing things to design them he's designing them to make them better is fantastic where project it's fun is exciting it always is he's figured out a way to personify what New York street where man at a same period of time he thinks of things as a 360 style from beginning to end and even post I think his curiosity and like eagerness and willingness to kind of explore and push further ahead is really out of reach and go no matter where Jeff takes the brand and no matter what products he applies the page until it feels aspirational. You are listening to anyone that the studio on the b.b.c. World Service monies Bobby to Garcia make it a cool Bob Love d.j. All the ballplayer filmmaker sniggered Khan a solo ever right now we are a New York City the Mecca for street where starting on Billy within skate and surf culture in the seventy's and eighty's street where culture is now a $300000000000.00 industry now casualty shirts swats jerseys sneakers and hoodies all the hottest items both and hype and cause causing mass hysteria for limited releases high retail cost and exorbitant resell prices in fact once these items are released they often emerge are resale websites marked up so 1000 percent or more much of this and she is driven by highly demanding low supply collaboration's between brands and one of the most dominant think is in this space is Jeff staple who has collaborated and released with. Brands such as Nike Coca-Cola Oakley unique glow Puma and clocks and this episode of in the studio we are going into the mine in the process of one of the leading designers with history where culture as he works on his recently released collaboration with global brand template. Right now and l Yes the Lower East Side of Manhattan just about to enter the h.q. Of stable design and stable clothing which is just New York design agency and clothing brand respectively Jeff and I go way back we've collab we've honk we've sat we've broken bread so there's going to be room flock to find out more about this new project with Timberland and how his creative juices start of flowing and continue to rock Let's go. So before we get into all the gravy Let's talk about your 1st experience with what would become called Street where I think it has to be come out and Triple 5 Soul I was like an aspiring fashion designer slash whatever designer and so she was really helpful to me she was like yeah you want to see how this is done is how I make my beanies and stuff like that oh wow yeah the other side of that coin was union on West Broadway Union and Triple 5 really different because Triple 5 was like Camilla was like really the helm of that and she took a very sort of motherly nurturing stance with me and she'll do it again multiple times throughout my career but union was very like intimidating for me to go into and union was like the trial by fire where that was a store like when you walked in your heart start beating fast and you stood there again a tiny store but you stood there and you were just trying to absorb what the jargon was and what the culture was in like sub where t. Shirts future are and sport mixtape in Egypt shin mosque incense and you just try to be like Right I'm trying to get it and we're just trying to not make a you know noticed you. That you don't know what you're talking about that's what that was the goal you know and I'm just trying to hang out there and that was real they also had attitude as well and that carried over into supreme and Susie like absolutely all attitude there is a purpose for that because it's a vetting process with that unchecked you have what's happening today in street where Show which is like just people buying rocking and like not knowing about the culture which I think has its pros and cons obviously Sure what's the entry point to say I want to be a part of this easy p.m.u. Nation that was that I was in n.y.u. I was a journalism major and I wanted to get an internship and I filled out an internship at p.m.c. Nation not really knowing the substance of what p. And be carried I don't know you enter and then so I interned under brew Wes Zulu and song brew really was one of my biggest mentors and I think was like he was like the 1st person that like sort of look like me that wasn't trying to be a doctor or a lawyer or an accountant like he was just really following his dreams and he was like You know Jeff if if you have something to say this world that we exist in like he didn't say Street where he said this thing that we do a way for you to express those feelings or years is 96 you're absorbing this energy from basically the pioneers of this and you're still in school now how do you transition from being this underbelly to surfacing as a tribute or a contributor Yeah so I had left n.y.u. And I went to Parsons because I discovered that like I have a passion for design and while you wasn't providing the classes at the time so I left n.y.u. Just dropped out then went to Parsons and had to start from ground 0 I took a silkscreening class there and the silkscreening class taught you how to sew on paper like make post a prince but because of p m b And because of a brute told me I was like I want to put my artwork on a t. Shirt on cotton there was no intention of. Like having a brand. One fateful day in 1997 Jeff walked into a boutique and washy wearing one of the shirts he had printed and his silks wrinkling He then walked out of a store with an order for 12 shirt his company stable design was that of a fish and open for business was thought of as a small operation the teachers hammy by Jeff grew organically and began to gain visibility and n.y.c. Soon he began to work across mediums Bob building his clothing brand and design agency making him one of the simple once you emerging designers within the scene. Your approach is clearly changing because you're growing and what are your influences it nearly 2000 and now is pretty simple to him Florence's were hip hop culture street culture which is like graffiti anything that I like fashion or something like that and sneakers so if you put those 3 into like a minestrone soup that is basically what my whole 247 embodied that's about. It was clear the just love an understanding of the early days of street work culture plus his on the job experience and mentoring from some of the initial leaders of the culture gave him an undeniable foundation as he entered into the end history however it can be argued his technical training allowed him to bring more to the table the most so once he launched his brand stable design and start to work with clients and wider youth history culture definitely stood out one of Jeff's earliest clients was a burgeoning Fader magazine which was based in New York City and launched in 1990 about a friend of mine Rob Stone and his man John Cohen the magazine covers to this day music style and culture and is considered one of the most influential magazines and musical to go to Rob Stone to find out more about. They work with Jet and what made him so valuable to them in those early days Jeff was no pun intended but he was a staple in New York you know underground culture and and what was a merging at the time I met Jeff through a friend someone who was working for me at the time basically said I'll give you office space if you're looking for some which he was and had a staff of like 3 or 4 and I said we want to start this magazine and I'd love you don't like take a look at it maybe you could design it and it was just an incredible relationship we basically traded him office space for the magazine there would be no fader without Jeff stable and we and we broke the rules you know John my partner on the business we didn't have magazine experience and we just always knew we wanted to do things differently so finding like minded people that thought outside the box and that's a cliché term but Jeff really did think outside the box and you know the early days of the fader whether it was the runs Akron premier cover that we did run from run d.m.c. Zach from raising it against the machine d.j. Premier from you know gang star we put them together just the way you know Jonathan Mann and shot the cover and just the way Jonathan and Jeff and our team worked with them when it was just like a really exciting moment in culture like we knew we were creating something that was really special and I just remember Geoff when we were designing like even the masthead for the fader and talking about like with the logo should be he just broke down how even letters look to me which I never looked at it like that before he's like you know there's like T.'s and ends and Z's that are very like street and hard cheap letters and then there's you know round it's you know letters like a d. Or the r. Weather a and he's like and we can play off of that it was just it was really interesting to see how he kind of looked at things a little differently you were listening to in the studio for the b.b.c. World Service today I'm building with the claim designer and one of the leading figures within street which. Stable about his work creative process and specifically his upcoming collaboration with footwork company Timberland. Street work cultures growth has been driven last Lee by the power of collaboration one of the most impactful examples of this was not his collaboration with Jeff Stapleton on the s.b. Tongue pitching model which was released on February 22nd 2005 it has become a key date in St where history a riot occurred to get these limited edition sneakers and the police called in to control the hysteria this marked the emergence of sneaker culture and street wear high piece on to the national media scene from that point on sneaker and clothing companies follow the pigeon model by flooding the market with limited run products and it opens the mainstream's eyes to the power and passion of street where culture this shoe did open Pandora's box to the world to be like what it's going on down yeah for sure yeah sure it was an alignment of strange planets that made this what it is today we've learned your approach and your philosophy right how do these collaborative efforts that have happened since 2002 with Nike where you're designing Coca-Cola products you're designing rally bicycles you're designing it went beyond sneakers magazines and record covers Yeah yeah which is great for you because now your lens could be like completely wide open but that has to change one's philosophy in approach as well I would actually argue no it doesn't my philosophy and lens is the same you move that toy or like you look oh wait I got one here this thing we call this viewfinder you finder thing right so my lens of the same but these windows that come across are different so these at these are the Kleins that you mention so like rally bike feel a Timberland these are just coming through my lens but my lens has been can. Assistant for the past 22 years I think that's actually probably one of the secrets to like where I've come in where I've been through and where I am now is like straight up consistency I haven't really wavered at all in the past 2 decades how do you determine which collabs that you do and which clubs that you don't I do call labs because I like the tug of war I like the problem solving and figuring it out and I think the client likes that too because it pushes them to extend beyond their comfort zone as well so to me I always say like a good partnership and a good collaboration is when both of us are equally unhappy when we both had to give up 20 percent then it's we're good so this symbol in collaboration is monumental because you work with Nike with Riley and yes like you're heading sort of like the apex for threatening class Yeah and Temple and is like one of those that's that yeah yeah and actually temperament and the design studio and the clothing line have worked together like for over 10 years now like we've done a lot of projects together but this one that's coming out now it's the biggest project that we've worked on together because it involves 2 styles of boots and it involves like full apparel collection as well you know so it's definitely the biggest It's also the widest meaning like it's going to be the most accessible for kids to be able to get their hands on in the past we've only done like a couple 100 or maybe sometimes even a couple dozen pairs of stuff but this one will be like in the thousands if not maybe tens of thousands so I'm curious to see what this looks like and what their products like and what maybe some of the design moments in the process I want to show the studio Ok let's go let's go do it. You are listening to in the studio on the b.b.c. Laurel servers and I. Love it I'm talking with the claim designer and one of the key figures of modern street work culture yes they feel. About his recently released collaboration with symbolism and the process and purpose behind it Jeff doesn't let just anyone enter the end a sanctum of a design studio that some project design prototypes he is working on had to be removed before entering. However. What he agreed to for the collaboration with somebody who would resonate with yes I'd be another w with Jeff staple in his brain as well as a symbol and before we get back to Jeff giving us that exclusive insight into the process of purpose on this specific collaboration I spoke with Chris Greg the vice president of Global book which is on it symbolised about their opposed to collaboration and why they chose Jeff with this really collaboration's over the past 20 years have been really important to Timberland important part of our culture and who we are about it gives us the opportunity to work with the best creatives in the world and just one of those it all starts with Jeff and his team visiting Stratham come up to the studio meeting the designers it's a really fun kind of kick off it's very laid back it's very fresh but also very creative and it's like I said it helps our designers think in a different way but also it's great to see where his vision is and where he wants to take the collaboration and it always starts with a real clear point of view from his side and also with where we're moving as a brand you know from the eco sustainability point of view that's really inspiring to him as well and that's where he wants to take his collaboration is with us this built on authenticity and really a real grounding with heritage so it means a lot to a lot of people the 2 products that Jeff chose like the 6 inch premium and the feel track I like the feel tracker itself was conceived back in the mid eighty's and we came from an outdoor kind of perspective so there's this great connection between the brands heritage obviously with the street heritage and that kind of street culture and those 2 coming together sometimes is. Expected I think that's what's really exciting with collaboration to appear like Jeff is that creative brings unexpected results and I think it's really exciting for the consumer. As well as are the staple designs that he has. Some real interesting apparel that will be released as part of the collaboration. You know was how he made some of the design choices that made the final how he balanced the watch not only self and his own brand. Where. All of whom. And perhaps most importantly what were his hopes for the collaboration in here is where we put up for like the next year you know and there's other rooms in here that are more focused on the immediate collections and deliveries but this is where we really sort of like just brainstorm make mistakes and what we're seeing here is kind of like the design process of where we went with this collection so I wanted to do the 2 most iconic boots ever from tourbillon which to me are the 6 inch wheat boots and the field. Specifically the beef and broccoli and how we could take those 2 models the wheat and the beef and broccoli and like amp them up and infuse them with something else so on the 6 inch we went with something that was much more outdoors Ewood z. But like old school really natural organic crunchy vibes like. If I could say like sort of like an l.l. Bean sort of feeling you know and then on the other side of the Yes We actually this whole boot is inside out so this is just the flip side of an end of a natural 6 inch and then if you look we actually like yeah all the seams I added the zipper because I don't like getting it out of 6 inch boots like because you have to tie the whole thing up so this makes it easy to get in and now but like these prints and labels that you see are usually on the inside but these are all on the outside we changed it up and then just a small pigeon on the back there eyes yeah so we also didn't want to make something that like a true Timberland head would be like you know you jump the fence on this Why'd you do that like I love the old you so this is like love the old but you need to add this to this to your collection and then on the other side we went much more sort of like 8090 tech 5 but there's still retro ness to this because I think these days with modern technology we know that waterproof in this tape seems on stuff doesn't have to be so loud it could be just like black on black we've advanced to that level but back then it was like you wanted to shout every technical feature like this is Rep stop this is waterproof this is Dave we want to get more and so you know you know but there's something cool about that and the about it now so that's why we went with this sort of overall feeling the base is still beef and broccoli but everything is sort of amped up a little bit and you know the other thing that I always think about is the endgame which is that 99 percent of the world when they see this they're going to see this on Instagram like this big like the shoe is going to be like 2 inches on your screen so if you go too subtle people can be like you know he just did an inline shoot anyone changes you know but like on Instagram This is like well no you know yeah yeah so I always think about that stuff too in the now you're looking at the apparel that hooks up to each separate collection you know Timberline has never let a brand put their mark like on top of their tree. That it's like a corporate brand visual identity no no yeah but it's helpful that our logo is a bird and they're a tree and birds live in trees so they're like in this case it makes perfect sense and this to this was dope this metal bar that's on all the feel boots like putting Arbor next attempt also like a yeah room when you know that's great for staple as well definitely yeah because you know at the end of the day Timberland has like billions of customers and as big as you think staple might be like listening of at home if you're a fan probably point one percent of 10000000 people know what staple is so now they're going to see a pigeon see the word do a google and they might become a fan you know so that's what's in it for us yeah the brand awareness so I'm imagining it's a lock the sampling is done and there are any other last minute changes to be had before it goes public and it's open for consumption the product is locked finalized now that I'm looking at I'm seeing some other like design changes I member we made that I'm raising I know and all that I'm happy with were never there. Well one of the things I remember like when we decided to swerve away from this colorway that pigeon pink is such a icon for us if you notice like it's line now so it's all on the inside so that's a touch more like if you're a fan of like staple and the pigeon Oh geez stuff there's still something for you on the inside but that like you know a guy can wear and then I remember this fight again we talked about the pin on the tree but the pigeon sitting on top of the actual toilet any word more yeah yeah it's so like all those little nerd out touches we are not done because this is just a product now come the storytelling and the marketing so if we just let this product go and I just shot in whatever like it'll do Ok I'm sure I'm sure it'll sell out its mind it's not about selling out it's about telling this story that we told and I'm honored that the b.b.c. Is here to cover this as well but it's making sure that the kid who is spending his hard earned money I am fully risk. Michael that $200.00 a sum is like that's a lot of hours of work for some kid I want to make sure that he understands all the energy d.n.a. Blood sweat and tears that went into this because you could look at the shoe and just be like you know Jeff made to the wheat Harry but that's all he they put a zipper inside you know but once you start hearing all these stories and we have to do that through our storytelling so there's a whole marketing campaign social media campaign we want to do an event we want to get a brand ambassador to like rock these like a big a list celebrity because we realize the power of celebrity if they tune in to person a and then they tune into the rest of the story that I'm able to tell so that's like the carrot you know so all of that planning has to happen and a lot of times that planning is harder than the making of the thing itself you know like just trying to align those planet because don't forget at Timberland they have their marketing department and their p.r. Department and I'm sure you've been in situations where the shoes done it looks great now the way you want to tell the story and the way they want to tell the story is like now we're going out with this product told that way we got to tell it this way and then there's that Tug Of War 2 So that debate has only just begun for this and your grand expectation for this release Ok I have 2 hats on for the expectations the 1st expectation has already been checked off we were able to collaborate and work with an amazing company and make this an amazing product line and get it out to the people that satisfaction of an artist and a fan of the culture is already checked off and I could say that for the rest of my team to their super stoked on this now in order for it to become a home run success the cash registers need to ring on this that's just the reality right everyone is happy with his product even turbulent but if this doesn't move off the shelves we don't want 12 months from now to be like Yeah Jeff that was also a good project which cells were a little better which we have to put it on sell which you have to give it away but good job nice try there buddy I don't want that I want like you know we got a problem our server. Crash that's what I want like a digital riot to have you know so that's the other checkbox that I have to now try to fulfill and that'll make it something monumental and I have high hopes at the end of the day you can't force a kid to buy this you can lead them to water but you can't make them drink right so our whole job right now from design the product to the marketing is to line up the ducks so that like the kid is like yes yes yes but at the end of the day he could literally be at the cash register with the box and open at one time be like you know let me think about this how many times that happen in a store 100 times a day it happens it's not even a big deal cash person doesn't care about it the kids not to be there let me think about I'm going to go to the a.t.m. Nothing will be right back and I lost the cell I'm at that level thinking what is it that that kid fell at that moment was at the box like that the box Some happened with like the coloration the box that he opened up in the tissue paper wasn't feeling right like the tissue paper that wraps the shoe up was at it like he can't even articulate what the reason is that made him walk away but something did that made him feel like I'm not getting value for the price out of this and he walked I have to make sure I cross all those t's and dot all those eyes so that he's like here's my money in fact do you have another pair I want one for ice you know like that's what I'm trying to achieve here so clearly you have to always keep Jeff happy you have to keep staple followers happy what amount of consideration is going into this desire process to keep temporal and happy and Timberlands audience as well as you like almost like it's for yeah I mean a 1000 percent for this particular project. In fans and to reel in the company had a major seat at the table because Tim Berlin is such an iconic as we spoke about like one of those best of class pinnacle brands it's blasphemy if I go in there and do something crazy like. To I might anger some real rough people who want to anger . Out of fear but it's really out of respect that like this is this is sort of like Rosetta Stone of footwear culture and hip hop culture equally And so this is playing with this is like playing with like a holy grail of the entire culture Yeah there's not too many real Pinnacle products that represent that cross-section of sneaker culture hip hop and street where all into one thing sure yeah this is probably one of those 5 things you know where yeah that's the legend I think you are brother luck will help. You but listen to end the studio for the b.b.c. 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News Hello I'm Gerri Smit major protests on unrest have brought parts of Hong Kong to a standstill for the 3rd day running protesters engaged in street battles with riot police banks metro stations and universities have all been closed Robin brand is there every kindergarten primary and high school will cancel classes tomorrow the government here said it was worried about the repeat of what it called despicable attacks on some schools the Chinese University overnight police with tear gas and protesters some with catapult and bow and arrow clashed on a bridge over a motorway this wave of working day protest shows no sign of stopping the impact on Hong Kong's infrastructure is once again significant there were more arrests after police confronted demonstrators in the central financial district this lunchtime and part of the metro network remains closed after protesters blocked the rail track the ousted president of Bolivia a very Morales has condemned as unconstitutional an Opposition senators declaration that he is interim president Mr Morale is who's being given asylum in Mexico said it was part of a devious right wing coup on Tuesday the deputy head of the Bolivian Senate Giannini An years declared herself had a state saying she was next in line under the Constitution at least 7 people have been killed all civilians in a truck bomb attack in the Afghan capital.
Would be horrifyingly familiar to for the East Germans truce with condemnation from Beijing the International Court of Justice will rule shortly and whether it has judicial power to consider a lawsuit brought by Ukraine against Russia in a case which started 2 and a half years ago the government in Kiev accuses Moscow of violating un conventions by financing terrorism in eastern Ukraine and by discriminating against Tartars in occupy Crimea Russia has argued that Ukraine has failed to demonstrate the Moscow had the intent and knowledge required by the convention to trigger the jurisdiction of the court firefighters in eastern Australia say they're facing an unprecedented situation as dozens of bush fires raged across the state of New South Wales are reports from Sydney $81.00 blazes are burning across Australia's most populous states $45.00 rounds of control and more than a dozen are considered to be potentially catastrophic the state's Rural Fire Service Commissioner Shane Fitzsimmons has said almost 1200 firefighters and 70 aircraft have been deployed to save as many people as possible world news from the b.b.c. Political parties in Spain are embarking on their final day of campaigning ahead of Sunday's elections but the issue of cattle and separatism looming large it follows an inconclusive election in April in which the socialists emerged as the largest party but short of a majority opinion polls suggest there could be a similar result this time. Police in northern India have detained hundreds of people ahead of a Supreme Court ruling on a disputed religious site in Iowa many for making social media comments which could increase common or tensions in 1902 Hindu fundamentalists destroyed the mosque sparking religious violence and we drove around 2000 people were killed. At Iranian reports more than $5000.00 police and paramilitary troops have been deployed in the city of a year the in what the predation state in news and Muslims are for decades been bitterly divided over the 16th century Barbary mosque and you're the built on what Hindus believe was the birthplace of the God Ram Hindus want to build a temple over the site in recent years IOW the a has become a rallying point for the governing Hindu nationalist b j p that decision on the future of the site is expected sometime next week and there are concerns that the verdict could trigger under arrest the prime minister mirages prevent Kumar juggernaut who has been reelected with a strong majority following a general election on the islands Mr juggernauts militants Socialist Movement won 35 out of the 62 available seats his closest rival claimed 15. Prosecutors in South spurred formally charged a former colonel in the Austrian army with spying for Russia the unnamed colonel whose in his early seventy's was detained 12 months ago prosecutors allege he supplied state a military secrets to Russian military intelligence the g.r.u. For at least 25 years b.b.c. News. Hello and welcome to News Hour from the b.b.c. World Service coming to you live from London I'm James Tamara Sammi today after a young man dies in Hong Kong we'll ask how the police there have been handling the protests cross border co-operation is Pakistan opens its doors to Indian Sikhs so they can visit one of their religion's holiest shrines and the u.s. Soccer star Meghan Rypien 0 on late fame equal pay and the power of pink hair We begin though in Hong Kong a city which has seen months of sometimes violent anti-government protests drawing estimated crowds on occasion of more than a 1000000 there have been scores of injuries and arrests but not a single death linked to police action until today the 1st reported victim has been named as a jockey lock a student who fell from a car park in the early hours of Monday morning and who died of his injuries in the early hours of Friday some pro-democracy protesters are calling for revenge raising questions about the circumstances of his full and the length of time it took paramedics to reach him Hong Kong police have appealed for calm a spokeswoman for the force Suzette Fu told reporters that there would be a full and transparent investigation into Jaji locks death like many Hong Kong people the police are said but a passing of this young gentleman this case is under investigation by the pound in east regional crime unit the patch that we will spend every effort to investigate into the cause of his death. You also recommend that inquest or information about this death will be heard in an open court see that Fu from the Hong Kong Police Well we're joined now from Hong Kong by the b.b.c. Stephen McDonell He's at the car park where Mr Chow sustained the injuries from which he has died and Steve what's the scene like there. I have to say I was completely wrong when I thought what Martin be the response to the death of charger lock on standing in a car park where thousands of people have been lining up for hours to walk past the point where he fell. And turned this. Car park into something like oh he drawled I mean it's Jeremy Passion of the sound of it. But apart from some quiet scene of him there's. Not a sound you could hear a pin drop people various. Saul or the police officer. Stephen carrying flowers. We're having we're having trouble with the line too I think we're going to Percivale let's just see we're getting a lot of interference but let's just keep trying trying because you're describing the scene around you and I just want to want people there are saying about the death. Well I think that there's a lot of concern about why he fell I mean I'm standing at the you know just where it where it was he came from the 3rd floor of a car park for some reason fields of the 2nd floor of that car park as police were moving in Iraq police firing tear gas. And there are a lot of questions to be asked about why that is also people want to know why it took the paramedics so long to reach him they say they were blocked by a some sort of trial from reaching him or the place of denying that they block the ambulance. And all of this is to you know for this reason people calling for an inquiry as they have been for months really it's one of the key demands of the protesters but you know the mood here tonight isn't the angry one you might expect they're not demand ending answers right now it's much more a case of just leaving everybody to grieve tonight I mean they're putting messages up of solidarity with the family with his friends with his fellow students. You know and expressing their own grave one of their protest comrades if you put it that way has died. And it really has sent a shockwave through this city I mean he fell on Monday and has been in a coma or week and doctors are frantically tried. There's something about the swelling in his brain and this morning. You know they reached the end of that when he had a heart attack and died Stephen McDonell there from Tom park in Hong Kong thanks very much Will Isaac Chang is vice chair of. The pro-democracy organization headed by one of the faces of the Hong Kong protest movement Joshua wall a lot of people read about the reactions counts of the police and the staff might. Be cast in the half light the general public that the drive for me see that and the pack also the city guesses back to the day the deal solace the fact that they are doing the both say that so far from people is really a b. That they like to call people and really set up about it was. The police and said that there will be a full and transparent inquiry. How come we can't believe a people previously already lie to the people actually police investigating to police is not reasonable Beach's who make the things wrong the police so independent intoxication to us and police is failing talks at this moment to test the troops. The police have told for calm will lead be calm definitely not because all calm people angry off the police how that is and if you are really responsive to the bottoms have they become But you know the monks will be bent saying we will still keep fighting and it will fund this field goal all that has been violence on the other side though hasn't there was a probe aging Norma maker who was stabbed in the street for example yes we meet that there is some force but not clouds because you can see that a lot of so-called force are actually fighting to sow protests most likely and you'll see your sorry your saying that the the violence of. Protesters is justified but of police is not justified it has all the police ticketing weapons they I think a lot of lethal weapons that they can weave you some people's lives and so protest although some people like you take that out of people but most likely do it so pro-tax the 2nd part is they would keep this fall off the probating him but they have not had this up it if they still did not what does this stand mean for the protest movement does it mark a new stage of what's happening. I think today it's already making a lot of people recognize that police brutality are still real and it will be affecting every Hong Kong people we feel it so we must fight this flu Show moment isn't this perhaps a moment too to step back and reflect on the fact that somebody has died and and also the fact that the original. Extradition proposals which were the beginning of this protest movement have now been shelved and to think this is a time for at least the polls the protest movement. I think that definitely sieved although the 5 months say it's true that the gates they set off a small fire you can see that after it gets to the offing you can see how that cease the police how this system at the haka so that these kind of things that Hong Kong people experience they are calling for all its. Wants What would lead you to stop these protests definitely by the reactions off the Hong Kong. Because we are speaking it loud and clear that side the bungs on this until we pro-democracy protests to Isaac Chang we're learning our joint plan and live for my Hong Kong police superintendent who now works as a security consultant I'm standing right next to a memory or event on the street in Bay Area and there are around 500 people just not up on a specific time I mean the hands on doll where they're told sort of phone late so on and just having a memorial found for the youngsters but all of a sudden just the police just got off on the vehicle was trying to disperse saying this is a legal gathering so you know that's only the anger most phones and police are being very very cautious what's going to happen to them but get us in time to Chester's them so that the NGOs against the police the police have though in recent weeks began using live rounds it's a change from the earlier part of these protests are they not bringing some of this on themselves let's talk about the live wrong in terms of tear gas and rubber bullets 1st all seems to 1st day of the whole saga we saw there are a d.t.i. Gas and rubber bullets being shot by the police to arrest the testers now it's been 4 and a half months or even more now protesters are getting used to dot and they're better prepared I'm so weird how many as respirators and call goes even signature. Gets in order they don't get shot at and they don't get hurt or even contaminated by the tear gas so they carry on with their actions on the street but of course part of the a real live situation where Hong Kong We also sold in taxes as ricin. Violence to where's the police sometimes to individuals who look different view from the political from theirs so you say are you saying the police didn't have a choice in how to how to deal with on 2 different tactics being used by the protestors exactly they try to minimize the escalation power allow to the escalation of the protest as filings state media trying to past and ask why up to now there was not one shot particularly from the police revolver have cute anyone help the protesters they either have been having injuries or have been injuries from your eyes I mean it's yes yes indeed but you look at the whole picture the police officers themselves also got into just well in the same scenario it's not the police just walking around or street and putting out revolver and shot the tarsus Have you ever seen anything like it in terms of the kind of pressure that the police have been on the Oh absolutely not I've been in a police force for 2023 years and we have come across a lot of huge special operation this and not knowing that in comparable to just time but the problem is all along they have a well stocked 1st and. Right they've got it for many years they've been using that for many years but this time I think the protests themselves have also learned their tactics in a way they claim themselves even better and they can basically of boredom so or make the police tactics less effect so now what we're going to do the police officers and now here has been facing the situation almost 5 months at doesn't seem so any technique a solution is going to stop the situation what is all this doing to the trust that is needed in any society between the police force and the citizens I think prior to. June this year the police force us to so much and they enter into so many strategies in order to build the trust between the police force and the community this time it's pretty serious time it's course from I decide and I think it would take a really long time to rebuild that trust because of the moment when pro lease price and immediately the members of the bank would be chanting slogans against them shouting down calling their names calling them talks and the police officers of course getting frustrated at the same time the family that privacy is also being intruded by the testis I think it would take a very Why spend just come up with something to it would day and it would take time to kill that was kind of live for my Hong Kong Police Superintendent you listening to the b.b.c. World Service this is News Hour coming to live from London with James Kim Asami. Coming up later in the program we'll hear from the Sikhs in India who will finally be able to visit one of their holiest shrines in Pakistan I'm really happy we are getting a chance to good care. For for this land nature land but as it is as a dream we read excited in motion that we can we have a chance but with the. Mightiest blessings we are assured that we will go and last soul will be ready. Other headlines at this hour candlelight vigils are being held in Hong Kong in memory of the student who died from injuries sustained during a recent pro-democracy protest police in the Territory have appealed for calm and the u.s. Secretary of state has one of the dangers of rising author a tear in his I'm 30 years after the fall of the Berlin Wall. You're listening to the b.b.c. World Service this is News Hour coming to you live from our studios in central London with James Kumar Sammy there's been a significant ruling in Brazil's top court which means that Brazilian soon lose their 1st appeal against a criminal conviction will no longer find themselves automatically behind bars thousands could benefit from a judgment that effectively flings open the prison gates for them thankfully the country's highest profile inmate former president Louis think Naseer Lula De Silva who is currently serving nearly 9 years for accepting bribes as part of the international operation carwash investigation Well joining us now from Washington is that our go out to go partner with the Brazilian political consultancy Arco advice so does this mean the former president will be released. This is very likely it's very likely that he will be released that there is an expectation around his supporters and his lawyers and probably himself that this could happen today but it's very likely that he could be released in the upcoming hours or days and several other politicians who were arrested through the car wash operation what led to this decision by the Supreme Court. Well this decision was led by interpretation of the law Brazilian law comes from the French law system which is very interpreting even gives the power for a judge to interpret a particular crimes the appeal the 2nd stance or the 2nd level in which someone can be condemned in Brazil with something that is not was not comment was not only in Brazil there were several countries that went through the system but in Brazil there the understanding was that an individual can appeal several times and continuous ways until being finally until all the resources has been exhausted and then he would go to jail this has always benefited the individuals who had powerful lawyers and who are able to postpone. Certain judgments so this is what has caused the biggest impact in the frustration of part of the population what about the political impact if as you think is likely President Lula is released what will that mean for the country. Well the political impact will be big the opposition has been chanting over the past year for Lula to be released so this narrative is likely to change and Lula would be an integral player as an opposition as a member of the opposition talking against President to your post or now to so this could stir even more of the relations between the 2 sides and the biggest risk is that this catches the attention full time of President also not in a moment that he needs desperately to look at the reforms because Lula was the favorite going into that election wasn't he if it stayed out of jail. Little who was the favor favorite however he had reached in the polls to similar ceiling of votes from the. Years that he lost so in the years that he lost he started as a favorite but he had a very low ceiling and it was a similar vitamins in this particular campaign however he wouldn't be able to run because of the clean slate floor which still exists in Brazil and there is no perspective that justice would change this law Tiago data go thanks very much indeed now from their base in Iraq to the bull can see members of the secretive and cold like Iranian opposition group the major headin account or any k. a Followed a pretty unlikely path under a deal brokered by the United States the former fighters who are committed to overthrowing the Islamic Republic and were once designated a terror group by the u.s. In Europe were brought to the Albanian capital to Iran or in 201328 half 1000 of them now live in a military style settlement about 30 kilometers from the city so what are the hosts make of their presence Linda Presley with policeman translator Al Banneker sappy have been to Albania to find out following in the footsteps of one of the group's high profile American supporters. These are people who are dedicated to slay them and if you think that's a cold something I was back in July Rudy Giuliani President Donald Trump's personal lawyer addressed a jubilant crowd of thousands of the any cake camp in Albania politicians from around the globe influential Albanians and locals from the nearby village of man's joined thousands of any came members strictly segregated by gender for the free Iran event. Less Chuni a former American Mansour Albania's ruling Socialist Party was there. Yes The answer was yardstick doesn't do it just is they were exalted there were over excited that these huge personalities like Mr Giuliani had to count all the way from the United States of America for them this man that Mack had the ear of America to help them to overthrow the regime in Iran which is their ultimate dream . The only case journey to the Albanian countryside has been long and bloody after the Iranian revolution their relationship with Ayatollah Khomeini soon soured violence ensued between the now opposing sides neighboring Saddam Hussein offered refuge and during the Iran Iraq war the Army k. Fought against the Iranian military from their base in Iraq but later the allied invasion of Iraq in 2003 made life perilous with their protector Saddam Hussein gone the Emmy cake camp was attacked repeatedly killing and injuring hundreds fearing a worse humanitarian disaster the Americans brokered a deal with the Albanian government under which Albania would receive the remaining $3000.00 which I had seen the Democratic Party was in power at the time I asked leader Bashar what the terms of the agreement were offering them shelter from the text. And abuse and the possibility to lead a normal life in a country where they're not harassed attacked or brutalized this was a voluntary cooperation by the government of Albania in Albania politics a deeply polarized everything is contested but almost uniquely the presence of the k isn't publicly both members of the opposition and the government support their writing guests but the Emmy carries message of transformation for Iran and a respect for human rights has been complicated by some loose cannons defectors 3 or perhaps 400 mujahideen have left the organization since arriving in Albania. Is 60 now and says he was deceived by the enemy k. They didn't realize why probably come there and they search for me or your family came to Iraq to search for you yes yes they did in toward me in a single lot for me in where I live and my son so you have a wife and son you notice that our family connections are not encouraged by the m e k a distraction from the goal of overthrowing the government of the Islamic Republic of Iran so it wasn't until I arrived in Albania and friends helped him found a home secretly that he discovered his family had come looking for him and the Emmy Kay had turned them away we weren't able to get a response to any of this because the Emmy Kay refused to record an interview with the b.b.c. Since leaving the organization lives a precarious life in Tirana state plus some without a passport he's in regular contact with his family but he still hasn't seen him in the flesh for close to 40 years and he blames himself either sponsible for the situation I have a shame for myself. 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Coming up on news on the next 30 minutes protestors a shot dead in Iraq's 2nd city of Basra eastern Australia in the grip of dozens of bushfires Indian Sikhs are given a visa free access to visit a shrine in Pakistan and as Michael Bloomberg weighs up a run for the u.s. Presidency could there be another billionaire and the White House all of that coming up after the news. B.b.c. News with Jerry Smit hundreds of people in Hong Kong have gathered for a vigil in the compound where a university student was injured during pro-democracy protests this week. Died on Friday 4 days after he fell from the 3rd level of the car park police have appealed for calm on the eve of the 30th anniversary of the fall of the Berlin Wall the u.s. Secretary of state Mike Pompei has said authoritarianism in countries including Russia and China poses a threat he accused Moscow of killing its political opponents and Beijing of using horrifying methods of suppression. The International Court of Justice is delivering a ruling on whether it has judicial power to consider a lawsuit brought by Ukraine against Russia Kyi have accuses Moscow of violating u.n. Conventions by financing terrorism in eastern Ukraine and discriminating against a Tartars in occupied Crimea prosecutors in Salisbury formally charged a former colonel in the Austrian army with spying for Russia the unnamed colonel who's in his early seventy's was detained 12 months ago prosecutors allege he supplied state a military secrets to Russian military intelligence for at least 25 years. Spain's political parties are making last a Jeffords to persuade under say undecided voters ahead of Sunday's elections that hold the final rallies of a campaign in which the issue of cattle and separatism has featured prominently. The prime minister Marisha surprise vend Kumar juggernaut has been reelected with a big majority in general elections Mr juggernauts militant Socialist Movement won 35 out of the 62 available seats 2 students have launched an appeal to Germany's highest court after they were convicted of stealing waste food from a supermarket rubbish bins the case has sparked debate in Germany about the ethics of food waste. Coming up next more deaths in southern Iraq as the anti-government protests in that country spread but let's turn to the protests that have been taking place in South America over recent weeks in Ecuador Chile and also Bolivia is there a common thread between them are South America correspondent Katie Watson explains now from capital Santiago the place I was Ok for a week it feels like this has become the new normal thousands of people calling for change the people want dignity they chant on the streets of Santiago and they say they won't give up until they get it over the biggest demonstrations in this most recent wave of protests have been in Chile the unrest didn't stop us here I earlier last month the spotlight wasn't Ecuador the government tried To me feel subsidies as part of an austerity plan for an i.m.f. Loan to prop up the struggling economy but it could also is a poor country and the rise in fuel prices hit people hard Such was the anger on the streets the government had to backtrack they negotiated with indigenous protest leaders on the unrest died down. Then the focus moved to me and the soundtrack to the past 3 weeks has been the case that Alaska banging pots in peaceful protest much like they did during the dictatorship in the seventy's and eighty's was the protests started at Metro stations after the government decided to raise the price of transport people started to jump areas as a form of protest but it escalated to a night of violence that Metro stations torched and supermarkets looted that's when the government called a state of emergency. This surges on just about the price of metro ticket they've taken on a far why did I mention even though Chile is one of the richest cunt. In the region of the world's wealthiest countries it's the most likely plane if you don't come again soon to some honest person look I'm not going to get in the country only it's a change and if you don't start to do it it will ever change on middle class a worker and we're always in the middle of the poor who get lots of benefits and the rich who have lots of money and the middle class has to pay for pensions everything every day I want housing education health. I. Now want to I was kicking off Bolivia also set up after contested results in the presidential elections clashes broke out after evermore others claimed victory in the 1st round that was after the vote count was stopped when it looked like he'd have to go through to a 2nd round the opposition says the needs to be run human Acosta is a politician. And the future of democracy is worrying because everyone his party have dismantled democratic institutions so much so that now we can't exercise our rights in the face of the abuse of power. That was Hugh my cost ending that report by our South America correspondent Katie Watson. You're listening to the b.b.c. World Service this is News Hour coming to you live from London with James Kamar Sammy. We began the program with news of the 1st death linked to police action in the anti-government protests in Hong Kong and Iraq several weeks of stop start street demonstrations based on a rolling series of grievances have already resulted in hundreds of fatalities yesterday security forces reportedly shot dead 6 protesters in the capital Baghdad while 5 others were killed during a sit in in the southern city of Basra today there's been further on rest in the south of the country with live ammunition fied into crowds of demonstrators Belk is Villa is a senior Iraq research with human rights watch she told me how the protests in Basra differ from those in Baghdad in southern Iraq including in the city of Basra protest coals have really centered around among other things old demands of population like improved services you know access to clean water Elektra's city jobs because unemployment it's such a huge problem in the cells but there's a 2nd element to the protest calls which is really one that is against Iran and against Iranian influence in the country and particularly in the south us protesters have brought these calls forward in a context that has been much more violent than the protests in Baghdad in the south we see protesters attacking key government infrastructure including economic sites like oil fields like the port in Basra because they feel that after years of making demands they don't see any improvements from the government and to the way to bring about change is really to hit the government where it hurts which is which is the bottom line which is which is money that comes into the country and in the context of that they also have been resorting to violence burning down buildings lighting tires throwing Molotov cocktails and things like that and has the response from the authorities differed in southern Iraq 7 and particularly in in cities like Boston we've seen government forces Riyadh. Act with extreme lethal force they've been firing live ammunition into crowds of protesters on multiple occasions this has meant that we've seen many protesters dying from bullet wounds and we haven't seen any restraint on the side of the government in terms of for example removing live ammunition from the hands of security forces that are that are involved in craft control although the official death toll seems to be lower in in Basra than in Baghdad is that just because fewer people are taking part wealth for one it is it is an issue of numbers the protests in Baghdad have been absolutely astronomical in size on Sundays in Baghdad you know we've seen a 1000000 protesters turn up so the protests in southern cities are relatively smaller but the other thing one has to note is that we really don't know what the numbers are the Ministry of Health has ordered a complete gag on all medical workers and hospitals and other medical infrastructure from putting out any kind of numbers on the dead and injured and that's a blanket across Iraq so we're not getting official government numbers and the Independent High Commission for Human Rights which is a sort of semi governmental but independent body used to be issuing a tally a national tally of those dead and injured I don't Autobus 31st we saw them suddenly start putting out those numbers so the realities are we really don't know what how many people have actually been killed in cities like Boston what about the effectiveness of the protest the fact that they've been attacking as you say these key infrastructure sites have they succeeded the protesters in damaging the much shutting them down causing disruption the protesters have definitely cause significant disruption different estimates have been coming out over the last days on on how much Iraq's economy has been affected by these you know for example shutdowns of specific. Well sites or or the shutdown of the port there definitely is a name and the economic impact of all of this but you know whether that means that the protesters demands are going to be heard whether these protests are going to be broadly speaking effective is a separate question the protesters in southern Iraq tried all of this last summer with protests that really targeted oil in infrastructure the government make big promises afterwards for increase jobs for improved services and yet none of that happened that's why the protesters are out in the streets again a year later demanding the exact same things and unfortunately there is a good chance that we won't see any any further impact from these protests this time around but as you say formal skeptical cynical about any office that come from the authorities presumably Yes I think the protesters will not be satisfied this time around with sort of a commitment from the government for example to invest in job creation schemes Broadly speaking to improve access to services I think at this point protesters are absolutely fed up with what they see as empty promises and they want something more dramatic you see calls for dissolution of parliament you know the stepping down as a prime minister stepping down of the entire cabinet and polls are going even further with my sister is demanding not only a change the electoral law to actually change the Constitution because they're sick of the political system in its current form that they think is incapable of delivering on people's dinner and almost the protests you say have had a different tone in the south is there a sense of one protest movement across the nation now in my conversations with protestors post in the south and in fact that what I'm struck by is that every protester I speak to when I ask them why they're on the streets they have a different answer for me and I think that speaks to the fact that these protests really aren't organized by one specific political party or group and people are on the streets because of every individual. Difficulty that they're suffering in their daily lives and that is going to be different if you're in Baghdad versus in Basra or indeed you know that will be different from timely to family and individual to individual so there really are so many different demands which also means it's much harder for protesters to coalesce around several key demands and demand action from the government although also possibly harder for the authorities to to do with if there's no sort of single group or people have disparate reasons for being out on the streets absolutely I think the real challenge for the government is trying to figure out what commitments and concessions it can make that would actually get protesters to return home get off the streets stop occupying public spaces because of the fact that there is no core set of demands and no specific group that that's organizing one woman in Baghdad told me that she was going on the streets every day because she was there to demand the right of an Iraqi woman to walk through the streets of Baghdad and feel safe and she said to me I'm not going home until the day that that happens and as you can imagine when you're talking about demands like that things that it will be very very hard for the government to even begin to deliver on it's very hard to see how the government is going to meet the demands of those protesters Bell case Villa senior Iraq research of Human Rights Watch who was speaking to us from Beirut. In an increasingly rare example of cooperation between India and Pakistan the 2 countries are set to open a new border entry point allowing Indian seeks to make visa free pilgrimages to one of their religions holiest shrines Well early this year tensions between the nuclear neighbors plagued following cross border and strikes over the disputed region of Kashmir protection Gil Yeah I'll send this report from the Indian side of the border in Punjab. But I met a Sikh temple a good lad out in a little town near India's border with Pakistan devoted have gathered here for worship there all facing the good grounds I hope the holy book of Sikhs trip shows which is kept on a resist platform in front of them and is covered in a bright yellow and pink cloth. That these Prince happen here every day but this seems to be a special energy especially enthusiasm in the run up to the 550th birth anniversary of good in our neck the founder of the Sikh religion the work. And just ahead of governance birth anniversary both India and Pakistan seem to have come together in a rare display of friendship they have struck a deal to open a new border in she point between them in the Punjab region to facilitate Indian play Grimm's to travel easily to one of Sikhism holiest shrines inside Pakistan the mood here could not be more buoyant. At 3 things as I need to be the family who are preparing to travel to the shrine as soon as their application is approved. College eat who is in a fifty's say she has waited for this moment all her life really happy we are getting the chance to a good year. For father's land nature land for us it is a dream we're really excited in motion we were doubtful can we have a chance but with our mightiest blessings we are assured that we will go the earth and my soul will be ready. Son hulky that is sitting next to his mother beaming very important because my grandfather's foreign minister was about I have always dreamed about it and I think that it would be a good message for the whole world to come to so you know. Just a few kilometers away from the baby family's house these women are queuing to peek into a fixed pair of binoculars at a viewing point just short of the border of it Pakistan. On a Clear Day pilgrims can see the white painted structure and the Dome of the holy shrine gurdwara their bar Sipe pool which they hope to visit one day Sikhs from all over India gather here to preach to the holy shrine and Warden and. I pray to God that everyone is able to see this wrong order wardens were desperately waiting for this road to open I can't express myself in words. I'm at the border fence overlooking Pakistan there is a lot of security around me there's the Indian army Indian paramilitary forces who have been deployed here the 3rd Marseille hip trying is about 4 kilometers away from here it's where the founder of Citizen Guru Nanak spent the last years of his life in the 16th century and that's why it has such special significance for the Sikh community. Sikhism was born in Punjab which was split between Hindu majority India and Muslim majority Pakistan after gaining independence from Britain in 1947 as a result holy shrines of major South Asian religions are spread across borders. The opening of this new car to dog has been welcomed by the Sikh community in both countries the mood here in Punjab is that of happiness and excitement. The peace process between India and Pakistan may be nowhere near in sight but this small step has given people to people relations a new much needed boost the. 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A reminder of our top story this hour candlelight vigils being held in Hong Kong in memory of the student who died from injuries sustained during a recent pro-democracy protest Jaji lock fell from a car park on Monday and died earlier today the b.b.c. Steve McDonnell says that many questions remain about his death came from the 3rd floor of a car park for some reason fell to the 2nd floor of that cop as police were living in Iraq police firing tear gas. And there are a lot of questions to be asked about why that is also people want to know why it took the paramedics so long to reach him they say they were blocked one other headline the u.s. Secretary of state has warned of the dangers of rising author a tear in his I'm 30 years after the fall of the Berlin Wall. You're listening to the b.b.c. World Service is news hour coming to you live from London with James Tamara Sami former mayors of New York and really out of the news these days for weeks President Trump's personal lawyer Rudy Giuliani has been a fixture on the airwaves we even had a bit of him earlier in this program in Albania Well now it's the turn of Michael Bloomberg the billionaire businessman is sizing up the possibility of joining the race to become the Democratic Party's presidential nominee and Christie Setser is a Democratic strategist and president of new heights communications of Washington d.c. Public affairs firm and joins us live so Christy what do you make of this. Well it's definitely interesting you notice that Bloomberg has filed in Alabama which says to me that he's interested in keeping his options open but I'm not sure that he's actually interested in writing still despite how much attention we're giving us personally I think that he may be trying to send a message to Joe Biden which is to say get your act together look I wasn't looking at this because I thought you had this under control now it seems like your campaign is faltering a bit and so you know I may need to get in here again whether he actually means it or whether or not this is just sending sort of a strong message to who he perceives as the man that should be the strongest candidate I'm not totally sure right now and how will Joe Biden take that if if that is the intent. Of that that is look you know whether or not he takes this seriously or not I can personally I don't think that Joe Biden should take it that seriously because we already had 28 candidates in the Democratic primary down from something like 2425 earlier this this fall if it's not that Democratic primary voters are looking for more options there or not they are having a very healthy and spirited debate conversation about the direction of the party and whether we can best beat Donald Trump by going in a more expansive progressive direction or whether we should be in sort of a more safe protectionist Crouch right now that's that's a good conversation to have but that's not to say to other people who may be thinking about getting into the race that there's an opening here I don't believe that if he is and it's a big if as you've outlined if you're serious about potentially entering the race does he stand a chance of winning it. I can imagine that he does look there's there's a couple of models that he can sort of see himself at right so I understand why Michael Bloomberg thinks that there's an opening he of course again sees himself more in this Joe Biden moderately so he believes that there's you know obviously you know for what for everything that we can say about how by his campaign isn't doing as well as you know baby he or some of his supporters wanted to be doing he still leading in most polls right so he's still doing that there's obviously an opening there for somebody who espouses the views that he does he also if you're Bloomberg You can also look ahead to the general and he certainly like sort of the match up there the optics of running against which is to say he can say I'm a real billionaire versus the fake billionaire I'm a real New Yorker here's this big New Yorker the guy went to Florida we're going to fix you know there's lots of you know I'm real business leaders opposed to a comment so again I understand the way that he believes that he can sort of present himself I just don't you know don't think that that he is reading the electorate in the correct way Christie said Democratic strategist thanks very much . And it's been quite a year for Magen Rypien are not only did she captain the u.s. Women's soccer team to victory at this summer's World Cup but you also want to wardes the best player and top goalscorer at the tournament before World Football's body Pfieffer crowned at the top player in the world the female counterpart to Leno Messi b.b.c. News beats Ellen Elena Roper sat down with the athlete and activist in San Francisco to talk about racism equal pay and sexuality and about how she feels about all those accolades it's quite surreal to be honest it's a little strange I think going through you know most of my career and then kind of at the end of it becoming this player you know performing the way they did in the World Cup It's a little ole strange. This is well documented that you were both in this equal pay to speak with us so now you quit today saying that you now know you I wonder what point do you feel you came to realize I mean honestly we are still probably undervalue herself I would say whatever you you think you're worth you're definitely worth more than that don't settle for anything less go for equal go for more don't accept any of these sort of antiquated and frankly b.s. Answers there's been such a lack of investment for such a long period of time so any direct comparison to the men's sports or the men's leagues is just like wholly unfair so until we have 'd equal investment and over investment really because we've been so undersurface so long we're not going to have any sort of meaningful conversation about compensation and revenues and t.v. Viewership the. Women. Maybe. Some of the stories that have inspired most you know. And. They're incredible performances on the field but the way that they've taken on the disgusting racism that they have to face this year but probably for their whole lives studying a huge figure for us in the u.k. But you say it's not just down to him to speak out about that it's on everyone you know if ever there is like an instance of racism if every single player on the field is not outraged then to me they're part of the problem and they're not doing enough it's very topical for us at the moment in a recently paid in the year of 2025 is that they were stopped twice because you know race is a beast now Well Kerry I have been told that they have to pay 2 games behind closed doors one of which is suspended and find 65000 pounds I wonder do you think that sanctions are tough enough and then for me I'm just like make it super extreme. So it's. So damaging to the team it's so damaging to the federation it's so damaging financially and for the fans who want to go watch the game so then then it's affecting everyone $65000.00 is an absolute joke now in the u.k. There are no gay male professional footballers I wonder what would your message be to any players who feel that they're not able to be open about their sexuality 1st and foremost we see and we're with you and you know eventually hopefully it will be you know the environment we differ will be different where you feel like you can come out what you think is going to create a kind of a shift in men's game. So it's so hard I think that we you know as. An obvious as a society but I think the leagues and the organizations in the team need to do a much better job of setting that environment and setting the precedents prior to the player coming out because clearly they don't feel comfortable coming out there or not feeling safe or secure in that Meghan Rypien the leading footballer the leading women's footballer in the world are using a platform to speak out about issues that she cares about you speaking to the B.B.C.'s Eleanor and that brings us to an end of this edition of News Hour from a James came out of Sammy and the rest of the team here in London thanks very much for listening. Now on the b.b.c. 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Hi I'm Catherine Jones and on today's tech tent we're in the Republic of Ireland is taking a look at the big influence this relatively small country has when it comes to global technology we talked to Alan's data protection commissioner on how she plans to reshape the relationship between the tech giants and their uses We have 21 large scale investigations open. 11 of those are into Facebook or Facebook related companies. Plus I find out why Dublin is still a favorite city for startups and I joined economists and comedians in the city of Kilkenny for the 10th annual coconut expressed of oh cryptocurrency is one of the topics on the agenda my special guest today is the economist Peter Antonioni one of the festival's guest speakers and I'll be joined from London by the journalist Jamie partly to join his own after the news. B.b.c. News Hello I'm Gerri Smit in the past few minutes the International Court of Justice has ruled that it does have judicial power to consider a lawsuit brought by Ukraine against Russia the government in Kiev accuses Moscow of violating un conventions by financing terrorism in eastern Ukraine and by discriminating against Tartars in occupied crime air Russia has argued that huge crane has failed to demonstrate that Moscow had the intent and knowledge required by the convention to trigger the jurisdiction of the court hundreds of people in Hong Kong have gathered for a vigil in the car park where a university student was injured during pro-democracy protests this week and subsequently died police have appealed for calm following the death of a child she look Steve McDonald is at the vigil rush. Of people have come in here and healing up for hours to get to the point where he fell. In order to pay their respects people are carrying flowers. Bringing these condolence messages and sometimes also placing these messages on the wall there are little Oregon. Words and also as I say hand written notes for the people. Pressing this sadness this student activist has died on the eve of the 30th anniversary of the fall of the Berlin Wall the American secretary of state has warned of the dangers posed by authoritarianism in countries like Russia and China visiting Berlin my pump a.o. Said the West was wrong after the collapse of communism in Eastern Europe to assume that freezing.
It's Russia in a case which started 2 and a half years ago the government in Kiev accuses Moscow of violating un conventions by financing terrorism in eastern Ukraine and by discriminating against Tartars in occupy Crimea Russia has argued that Ukraine has failed to demonstrate the Moscow had the intent and knowledge required by the convention to trigger the jurisdiction of the court. Firefighters in eastern Australia say they're facing an unprecedented situation as dozens of bush fires raged across the state of New South Wales are reports from Sydney 81 blazes are burning across Australia's most populous states 45 are out of control and more than a dozen are considered to be potentially catastrophic the state's Rural Fire Service Commissioner Shane Fitzsimmons has said almost $1200.00 firefighters and 70 aircraft have been deployed to save as many people as possible world news from the b.b.c. Political parties in Spain are embarking on their final day of campaigning ahead of Sunday's elections but the issue of cattle and separatism looming large it follows an inconclusive election in April in which the socialists emerged as the largest party but short of a majority opinion polls suggest there could be a similar result this time. Police in northern India have detained hundreds of people ahead of the Supremes Court ruling on the disputed religious site in Iowa many for making social media comments which could increase common or tensions in 1902 Hindu fundamentalists destroyed the mosque sparking religious violence in which a Round 2000 people were killed. At a Rajan reports more than 5000 police and paramilitary troops have been deployed in the city of your Dia in what the predation state in news and Muslims are for decades been bitterly divided over the 16th century Barbary mosque and you're the built on what Hindus believe was the birthplace of the God Ram Hindus want to build a temple over the site in recent years IOW the a has become a rallying point for the governing Hindu nationalist b j p that decision on the future of the site is expected sometime next week and there are concerns that the verdict could trigger under arrest the prime minister mirages prevent Kumar juggernaut has been reelected with a strong majority following a general election on the island's Mr juggernauts militant Socialist Movement won 35 out of the 62 available seats he is close his rival claimed 15. Prosecutors in South curve formally charged a former colonel in the Austrian army with spying for Russia the unnamed colonel whose in his early seventy's was detained 12 months ago prosecutors allege he supplied state to military secrets to Russian military intelligence the g.r.u. For at least 25 years b.b.c. News. Hello and welcome to News Hour from the b.b.c. World Service coming to you live from London I'm James Tamara saw me today after a young man dies in Hong Kong we'll ask how the police there have been handling the protests cross border co-operation is Pakistan opens its doors to Indian Sikhs so they can visit one of their religion's holiest shrines and the u.s. Soccer star Meghan Rypien 0 on late fame equal pay and the power of pink Ham We begin though in Hong Kong a city which has seen months of sometimes violent anti-government protests drawing estimated crowds on occasion of more than a 1000000 there have been scores of injuries and arrests but not a single death linked to police action until today the 1st reported victim has been named as a jockey lock a student who fell from a car park in the early hours of Monday morning and who died of his injuries in the early hours of Friday some pro-democracy protesters are calling for revenge raising questions about the circumstances of his full and the length of time it took paramedics to reach him Hong Kong police have appealed for calm a spokeswoman for the force sues at Fu told reporters that there would be a full and transparent investigation into Jaji locks death like many Hong Kong people the police are said but a passing of this young gentleman this case is under investigation by the pollen East Regional crime unit the patch that we will spend every effort to investigate into the cause of his death. You also recommend that inquest or information about this death will be heard in an open court see that Fu from the Hong Kong Police Well we're joined now from Hong Kong by the b.b.c. Stephen McDonell He's at the car park where Mr Chow sustain the injuries from which he has died and Steve what's the scene like there. I have to say I was completely wrong what I thought what Mark be the response to the death of judge a lock on standing in a car park where thousands of people have been lining up for hours to walk past the point where he fell and they've turned this. Car park into something like a cafe the drop I mean it's jam packed with the sound of it. But apart from some quiet scene of him there's. Not a sound you could hear a pin drop people very. Solor. And to that list. Steven carrying flowers. We're having we're having trouble with the line tonight I think we're going to persevered let's just see where we're getting a lot of interference but let's just keep trying trying because you're describing the scene around you and I just want to want people there are saying about the death. Well I think that there's a lot of concern about why he fell I mean I'm standing at the you know just where it where it was he came from the 3rd floor of a car park for some reason fields of the 2nd floor of that car park as police were moving in Iraq police firing tear gas. And there are a lot of questions to be asked about why that is also people want to know why it took the paramedics so long to reach him they say they were blocked by a some sort of trial from reaching him or the place of denying that they block the ambulance. And all of this is to you know for this reason people are calling for an inquiry as they have been for months really it's one of the key demands of the protesters but you know the mood here tonight isn't the angry one you might expect they're not demand ending answers right now it's much more a case of just leaving everybody to grieve tonight I mean they're putting messages up of solidarity with the family with his friends with his fellow students. You know and expressing their own great one of their protest to comrades if you put it that way has died. And it really has sent a shockwave through this city I mean he fell on Monday and has been in a coma all week and doctors are frantically tried. There's something about the swelling in his brain and this morning. You know they reached the end of that when he had a heart attack and died Stephen McDonell there from Tom park in Hong Kong thanks very much Will Isaac Chang is vice chair of. The pro-democracy organization headed by one of the faces of the Hong Kong protest movement Joshua won't let up the pole read out the reactions come from the police and the staff might. Have lied to the general public that the Dr probably see that and the cap back also the city guesses back to the day the deal solace the fact that they are doing the both say that so far from people is really a b. That they like to call people and really set up outlets the police have said that there will be a full and transparent inquiry. How come we can't believe a people previously already lie to the people actually police investigating to police is not reasonable Beach's who make the things wrong the police so if you've had the intent the cases to us a police is failing at this moment the test the truth. The police have told for calm will lead be calm definitely not because all calm people angry all the police how that is and if you are really responding to this have you become But you know the months we have meant that we will still keep fighting and it will be a steel go all that has been violence on the other side though hasn't there was a prob aging Norma maker who was stabbed in the street for example yes we meet that there is some force but not clouds because you can see that a lot of so-called force are actually fighting too so pro-tax most likely and your so your sorry your saying that the the vile. Of protestors is justified but of police is not justified he has told the police they are getting weapons they are getting a lot of lethal weapons that they can weave you some people's lives and so protest although some people like you take that out of people but most likely pro-tax the 2nd poppies they would keep this fall off the probating camp but they have not had us up tight in every store did not want to desist death mean for the protest movement does it mark a new stage of what's happening. I think today it's already making a lot of people recognize that the police brutality are still real and it will be affecting every Hong Kong people we feel it so we must hate this flu Show moment isn't this perhaps a moment too to step back and reflect on the fact that somebody has died and and also the fact that the original. Extradition proposals which were the beginning of this protest movement have now been shelved and to think this is a time for at least the polls the protest movement. I think that definitely sieved although the 5 mines say it's true that the gates they set off a small fire you can see that after it gets to be turned off say you can see how that cease the police how the system at the local cafe So after these kind of things that Hong Kong people experience they are calling for boards so what's what would lead you to stop these protests definitely by the reactions off the Hong Kong . Because we are speaking it loud and clear that side the bungs want this to we pro-democracy protests to Isaac Chang we're learning our joint plan to live former Hong Kong police superintendent who now works as a security consultant I'm standing right next to a memory or event on the street in a closely Bay area and there are around 500 people just not up on a specific time I mean the hands on Doll were there told sort of phone later on and just having a memorial found for the youngsters but all of a sudden just please just got off from the vehicle was trying to disperse saying that this is a legal gathering so you know that's only the anger most bones and police are being very very cautious what's going to happen to them but indeed a same time to Chester's them so their anger against the police the police have though in recent weeks began using live rounds it's a change from the earlier part of these protests are they not bringing some of this on themselves let's talk about the live wrong in terms of tear gas and rubber bullets 1st all on scene stuff sorry state of the whole saga we saw there are a d.t.i. Gas and rubber bullets being shot by the police to arrest the testers now it's been 4 and a half months or even more now just as I'm getting used to dot and they're better prepared them so how many is respirators and call goes even. Thank you Jack it's in order they don't got shot at and they don't get hurt or even contaminated by the tear gas so they could carry on with their actions on the street but of course part of being a real live situation Hong Kong We also sold in taxes as ricin and. Violence to where's the police sometimes to individuals who look different view from political from theirs so you say are you saying the police didn't have a choice they had to do it on 2 different tactics being used by the protesters x.x. Li They try to minimize the escalation power allowed to the escalation of the protest as filing date Reidy trying to past and ask why up to now there was no one shot particularly from the police revolt have cute any one of the protesters they either have been in the house very injuries or have been injuries from the eyes I mean it's yes yes indeed but you look at the whole picture the police officers themselves also got into just well in the same scenario it's not the police just walking around or street umbrella group and short of the protests have you ever seen anything like it in terms of the kind of pressure that the police have been on Oh absolutely not I've been a police force for 2023 years and we have come across a lot of huge special operation to us and not knowing nothing in comparable to just time but the troll or miss all along they have a well stocked priest and to write and write about it for many years they've been using that for many years this time I think the protests themselves have also learned their tactics in a way they plan themselves even better and they can basically avoid them so all make the police tactics less effect so now what we're going to do the police officers and now here has been facing the situation almost 5 months doesn't seem so any technique a solution is going to stop the situation what is a list doing to the trust that is needed in any society between the police force and the citizens I think prior to. To Juventus fear a police force that starts so much and they enter into so many strategies in order to build that trust between the police force and the community this time it's pretty serious time it's course from I decide and I think it would take a really long time to rebuild that trust because at the moment when probably Streisand immediately the members of the bank would be chanting slogans against them shouting down going down names calling them dolls and the police officers of course getting frustrated at the same time their family the privacy is also being intruded by the protesters I think it would take a very Why spend just come up with something it would day and it would take time to kill that was kind of live for my Hong Kong Police Superintendent you are listening to the b.b.c. World Service this is News Hour coming to live from London with James Kim Asami. Coming up later in the program we'll hear from the Sikhs in India who will finally be able to visit one of their holiest shrines in Pakistan I'm really happy we are getting a chance to get here to fortify this land nature land but as it is as a dream really excited in motion that we can we have a chance but with the. Mightiest sings we I showed that we will go and the last soul will be ready at the other headlines at this hour candlelight vigils are being held in Hong Kong in memory of the student who died from injuries sustained during a recent pro-democracy protest police in the Territory have appealed for calm and the u.s. Secretary of state has warned of the dangers of rising author a tear in his I'm 30 years after the fall of the Berlin Wall. You're listening to the b.b.c. World Service this is News Hour coming to you live from our studios in central London with James Kim our summary there has been a significant ruling in Brazil's top court which means that Brazilian soon lose their 1st appeal against a criminal conviction will no longer find themselves automatically behind bars thousands could benefit from a judgment that effectively flings open the prison gates for them thankfully the country's highest profile inmate former president Louis think Naseer Lula De Silva who is currently serving nearly 9 years for accepting bribes as part of the international operation carwash investigation Well joining us now from Washington is that our go out to go partner with the Brazilian political consultancy Arco advice so does this mean that the former president will be released. This is very likely it's very likely that he will be released that there is an expectation around his supporters and his lawyers and probably himself that this could happen today but it's very likely that he could be released in the upcoming hours or days and several other politicians who were arrested through the carwash operation what led to this decision by the Supreme Court. Well this decision was led by interpretation of the law Brazilian law comes from the French law system which is very interpreted to even give the power for a judge to interpret a particular crimes the appeal the 2nd stance or the 2nd level in which someone can be condemned in Brazil with something that is not was not comment was not only in Brazil there were several countries that went through the system but in Brazil there the understanding was that an individual can appeal several times and continuous ways until being finally and through all the resources has been exhausted and then he would go to jail this has always benefited individuals who had powerful lawyers and who are able to postpone. Certain judgments so this is what has caused the biggest impact in the frustration of part of the population what about the political impact if as you think is likely President Lula is released what will that mean for the country. Well the political impact will be big the opposition has been canting over the past year for Lula to be released so this narrative is likely to change and Lula would be an integral player as an opposition as a member of the opposition talking against President or your boss or now do so this could stir even more of the relations between the 2 sides and the biggest risk is that this catches the attention full time of President also not in a moment that he needs desperately to look at the reforms because Lula was was the favorite going into that election wasn't he if it stayed out of jail. Little who was the favor a favorite however he had reached in the polls to similar stealing of votes from the. Years that he lost so in the years that he lost he started as a favorite but he had a very low ceiling and it was a similar Vironment in this particular campaign however he wouldn't be able to run because of the clean slate law which still exists in Brazil and there is no perspective that justice would change this law Tiago data go thanks very much indeed now from their base in Iraq to the bull can see members of the secretive and cult like Iranian opposition group the much ahead Dean account or any k. a Followed a pretty unlikely path under a deal brokered by the United States the former fighters who are committed to overthrowing the Islamic Republic and were once designated a terror group by the u.s. In Europe were brought to the Albanian capital to Iran or in 201328 half 1000 of them now live in a military style settlement about 30 kilometers from the city so what are the hosts make of their presence Linda Presley with policeman translator Al Banneker sappy have been to Albania to find out following in the footsteps of one of the group's high profile American supporters. These are people who are dedicated gentle freedom and if you think that's a cold start from where I was back in July Rudy Giuliani President Donald Trump's personal lawyer addressed a jubilant crowd of thousands of the any cake camp in Albania politicians from around the globe influential Albanians and locals from the nearby village of mans joined thousands of any came members strictly segregated by gender for the free Iran event. Less Chuni a former American Mansour Albania's ruling Socialist Party was there. Yes absolutely as it doesn't do it just is they were exulted they were over excited that these huge personalities like Mr Giuliani had to count all the way from the United States of America for them this man that Mack had the ear of America to help them to overthrow the regime in Iran which is their ultimate dream. The any case journey to the Albanian countryside has been long and bloody after the Iranian revolution their relationship with Ayatollah Khomeini soon soured violence ensued between the now opposing sides neighboring Saddam Hussein offered refuge and during the Iran Iraq war the Army k. Fought against the Iranian military from their base in Iraq but later the allied invasion of Iraq in 2003 made life perilous with their protector Saddam Hussein gone the Emmy cake camp was attacked repeatedly killing and injuring hundreds fearing a worse humanitarian disaster the Americans brokered a deal with the Albanian government under which Albania would receive the remaining $3000.00 which Heidi the Democratic Party was in power at the time I asked leader Bashar what the terms of the agreement were offering them shelter from the text. And abuse and the possibility to lead a normal life in a country where they're not harassed protector brutalized this was a voluntary cooperation by the government of Albania in Albania politics a deeply polarized everything is contested but almost uniquely the presence of the isn't publicly both members of the opposition and the government support their writing guests but the any case message of transformation for Iran and a respect for human rights has been complicated by some loose cannons defectors 3 or perhaps 400 mujahideen have left the organization since arriving in Albania. Is 60 now and says he was deceived by the ne k. They didn't realize why probably com there and they said for me are your family came to Iraq to search for you yes yes they did in toward me in a single war for me in where I live and my son so you have a wife and son you notice that our family connections are not encouraged by the m e k a distraction from the goal of overthrowing the government of the Islamic Republic of Iran so it wasn't until I arrived in Albania and friends helped him found a home secretly that he discovered his family had come looking for him and the army k. Had turned them away we weren't able to get a response to any of this because the m.e. K. Refused to record an interview with the b.b.c. Since leaving the organization lives a precarious life in Tirana state plus some without a passport he's in regular contact with his family but he still hasn't seen him in the flesh for close to 40 years and he blames himself either sponsored for the situation or have a shame for one's self. It and that it was I'm getting I have a no you no peace no peace I cannot wait to watch in the night. Made if you shared and what does the future hold for you anything why when wife I don't have a song or if I'm reading date on is my wish is that you go back to this. Man desire ending that report from Tehran the by the B.B.C.'s Linda presently and you can hear a longer version of that if you subscribe to the assignment podcast here on the b.b.c. World Service You're listening to News Hour in the b.b.c. . Distribution of the b.b.c. 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News with Jerry Smit hundreds of people in Hong Kong have gathered for a vigil in the car park where a university student was injured during pro-democracy protests this week. Died on Friday 4 days after he fell from the 3rd level of the car park police have appealed for calm on the eve of the 30th anniversary of the fall of the Berlin Wall the u.s. Secretary of state Mike Pompei has said or for a tear in his I'm in countries including Russia and China poses a threat here gives Moscow of killing its political opponents and Beijing of using horrifying methods of suppression. The International Court of Justice is delivering a ruling on whether it has judicial power to consider a lawsuit brought by Ukraine against Russia Kyi have accuses Moscow of violating un conventions by financing terrorism in eastern Ukraine and discriminating against Tartars in occupied Crimea prosecutors in Salisbury formally charged a former colonel in the Austrian army with spying for Russia the named Colonel who's in his early seventy's was detained 12 months ago prosecutors allege he supplied state a military secrets to Russian military intelligence for at least 25 years. Spain's political parties are making lasted Jeffers to persuade under say undecided voters ahead of Sunday's elections that hold the final rallies of a campaign in which the issue of cattle and separatism has featured prominently. The prime minister Marisha surprise vend Kumar juggernaut has been reelected with a big majority in general elections Mr juggernauts militant Socialist Movement won 35 out of the 62 available seats 2 students have launched an appeal to Germany's highest court after they were convicted of stealing waste food from a supermarket is rubbish bins the case has sparked debate in Germany about the ethics of food waste. Coming up next more deaths in southern Iraq as the anti-government protests in that country spread but let's turn to the protests that have been taking place in South America over recent weeks in Ecuador Chile and also Bolivia is there a common thread between them are South America correspondent Katie Watson explains now from chalets capital Santiago the place I was Ok because. It feels like this has become the new normal thousands of people calling for change the people want dignity they chant on the streets of Santiago and they say they won't give up until they get it over the biggest demonstrations in this most recent wave of protests have been in Chile the unrest didn't start here I earlier last month the spotlight was of Ecuador the government tried To me feel subsidies as part of an austerity plan for an i.m.f. Loan to prop up the struggling economy but it could all is a poor country and the rise in fuel prices hit people hard Such was the anger on the streets the government had to backtrack they negotiated with indigenous protest leaders and the unrest died down. Then the focus moved to Chile and the soundtrack to the past 3 weeks has been the concert or last or banging pots in peaceful protest much like they did during the dictatorship in the seventy's and eighty's. Thanks I think the protests started at Metro stations after the government decided to raise the price of transport people started to jump areas as a form of protest but it escalated to a night of violence that Metro stations torched and supermarkets looted that's when the government called a state of emergency. The search was on just about the price of metro ticket they've taken on a far why did I mention even though Chile is one of the richest cunt. In the region of the world's wealthiest countries it's the most to blame if you don't let me guess you know someone else who doesn't let the market get in the country only it's a change and if you don't start to do it it will ever change on middle class a worker and when always in the middle of the poor who get lots of benefits and the rich you have lots of money and the middle class has to pay for pensions everything every day I want housing education health. I. Now want to I was kicking off Bolivia also set up after contested results in the presidential elections clashes broke out after evermore others claimed victory in the 1st round that was after the vote count was stopped when it looked like he'd have to go through to a 2nd round the opposition says the needs to be run human Acosta is a politician. And the future of democracy is worrying because everyone his party have dismantled democratic institutions so much so that now we can't exercise our rights in the face of the abuse of power. That was Hugh my car standing that report by our South America correspondent Katie Watson. You're listening to the b.b.c. World Service this is News Hour coming to you live from London with James Kim our Sammy. We began the program with news of the 1st death linked to police action in the anti-government protests in Hong Kong and Iraq several weeks of stop start street demonstrations based on a rolling series of grievances have already resulted in hundreds of fatalities yesterday security forces reportedly shot dead 6 protesters in the capital Baghdad while 5 others were killed during a sit in in the southern city of Basra today there's been further unrest in the south of the country with live ammunition fired into crowds of demonstrators Villa is a senior Iraq research with human rights watch she told me how the protests in Basra differ from those in Baghdad in southern Iraq including in the city of Basra protest coals have really centered around among other things old demands of population like improved services you know access to clean water Elektra's city jobs because unemployment is is such a huge problem in the cells but there's a 2nd element to the protest calls which is really one that is against Iran and against Iranian influence in the country and particularly in the south us protesters have brought these calls forward in a context that has been much more violent than the protests in Baghdad in the south we see protesters attacking key government infrastructure including economic sites like oil fields like the port in Basra because they feel that after years of making demands they don't see any improvements from the government and to the way to bring about change is really to hit the government where it hurts which is which is the bottom line which is which is money that comes into the country and in the context of that they also have been resorting to violence burning down buildings lighting tires throwing Molotov cocktails and things like that and has the response from the authorities differed in southern Iraq 7 and particularly in in cities like Busta We've seen government forces Riyadh. Act with extreme lethal force they've been firing live ammunition into crowds of protesters on multiple occasions this has meant that we've seen many protesters dying from balloons and we haven't seen any restraint on the side of the government in terms of for example removing live ammunition from the hands of security forces that are that are involved in craft control although the official death toll seems to be lower in in Basra than in Baghdad is that just because fewer people are taking part wealth for one it is it is an issue of numbers the protests in Baghdad have been absolutely astronomical in size on Sundays in Baghdad you know we've seen a 1000000 protesters turn up so the protests in southern cities are relatively smaller but the other thing one has to note is that we really don't know what the numbers are the Ministry of Health has ordered a complete gag on all medical workers and hospitals and other medical infrastructure from putting out any kind of numbers on the dead and injured and that's a blanket across Iraq so we're not getting official government numbers and the Independent High Commission for Human Rights which is a sort of semi governmental but independent body used to be issuing a tally a national tally of those dead and injured I don't Autobus 31st we saw them suddenly start putting out those numbers so the realities are we really don't know what how many people have actually been killed in cities like Boston what about the effectiveness of the protest the fact that they've been attacking as you say these key infrastructure sites have they succeeded the protesters in damaging the month shutting them down causing disruption the protesters have definitely cause significant disruption different estimates have been coming out over the last days on on how much Iraq's economy has been affected by these you know for example shutdowns of specific. Well sites or or the shutdown of the port there definitely is a name and the economic impact of all of this but you know whether that means that the protesters demands are going to be heard whether these protests are going to be broadly speaking effective is a separate question the protesters in southern Iraq tried all of this last summer with protests that really targeted oil in infrastructure the government made big promises afterwards for increased jobs for improved services and yet none of that happened that's why I protesters are out in the streets again a year later demanding the exact same things and unfortunately there is a good chance that we won't see any any further impact from these protests this time around but as you say formal skeptical cynical about and you office that come from the authorities presumably Yes I think the protesters will not be satisfied this time around with sort of day commitments from the government for example to invest in job creation schemes Broadly speaking to improve access to services I think at this point protesters are absolutely fed up with what they see as empty promises and they want something more dramatic you see calls for dissolution of parliament you know the stepping down as a prime minister stepping down of the entire cabinet and polls are going even further with my sister is demanding not only a change the electoral law to actually change the Constitution because they're sick of the political system in its current form that they think is incapable of delivering on people's dinner and the protests you say have had a different tone in the south is there a sense of one protest movement across the nation now in my conversations with protestors post in the south and in fact that what I'm struck by is that every protester I speak to when I ask them why they're on the streets they have a different answer for me and I think that speaks to the fact that these protests really aren't organized by one specific political party or group and people are on the streets because of every individual. Difficulty that they're suffering in their daily lives and that is going to be different if you're in Baghdad versus in Basra or indeed you know that will be different from timely to family and individual to individual so there really are so many different demands which also means it's much harder for protesters to coalesce around several key demands and demand action from the government although also possibly harder for the authorities to to do with if there's no sort of single group or people have disparate reasons for being out on the streets absolutely I think the real challenge for the government is trying to figure out what commitments and concessions it can make that would actually get protesters to return home get off the streets stop occupying public spaces because of the fact that there is no core set of demands and no specific group that that's organizing one woman in Baghdad told me that she was going on the streets every day because she was there to demand the right of an Iraqi woman to walk through the streets of Baghdad and feel safe and she said to me I'm not going home until the day that that happens and as you can imagine when you're talking about demands like that things that it will be very very hard for the government to even begin to deliver on it's very hard to see how the government is going to meet the demands of those protesters Belk his villa senior Iraq research of Human Rights Watch who was speaking to us from Beirut. In an increasingly rare example of cooperation between India and Pakistan the 2 countries are set to open a new border entry point allowing Indian seeks to make visa free pilgrimages to one of their religions holiest shrines Well early this year tensions between the nuclear neighbors plagued following cross border and strikes over the disputed region of Kashmir protection Gil Yeah I'll send this report from the Indian side of the border in Punjab. I met a Sikh temple a good lad out in a little town near India's border with Pakistan Deval t's have gathered here for worship they're all facing the good a grandson the holy book of Sikhs Scriptures which is kept on a resist platform in front of them and discovered in a bright yellow and big club. That these prints happen here every day but this seems to be a special energy especially enthusiasm in the run up to the 550th birth anniversary of guru Nona the founder of the Sikh religion. And just ahead of Google 9 its birth anniversary both India and Pakistan seem to have come together in a rare display of friendship they have struck a deal to open a new border in she point between them in the Punjab region to facilitate Indian play Grimm's to travel easily to one of Sikhism holiest shrines inside Pakistan the mood here could not be more buoyant. At 3 o'clock. I need to be the family who are preparing to travel to the shrine and soon as their application is approved. College eat who is in a fifty's say she has waited for this moment all her life really happy we are getting the chance to a good year. For for this land nature land for us it is as a dream really really excited in motion. Can we have a chance but with the mightiest blessings we are assured that we will go the earth and my soul will be really happy son Hulk Egypt is sitting next to his mother beaming there's a very important because my grandfather's foreign minister was about I have always dreamed about it and I think that it would be a good message for the whole world to come to so you know. Just a few kilometers away from the be the family's house these women are queuing to peek into a fixed pair of binoculars at a viewing point just short of the border of it Pakistan. On a Clear Day pilgrims can see the white painted structure and the Dome of the holy shrine gurdwara their bar Sipe card. Which they hope to visit one day Sikhs from all over India gather here to preach to the holy shrine and. I pray to God that everyone is able to see this wrong order or deeds were desperately waiting for this road to open I can't express myself in words. I am at the border fence overlooking Pakistan there is a lot of security around me the Indian army Indian paramilitary forces who have been deployed here the 3rd Marseille him to shine is about 4 kilometers away from here it's where the founder of Citizen Guru Nanak spent the last years of his life in the 16th century and that's why it has such special significance for the Sikh community. Sikhism was born in Punjab which was split between Hindu majority India and Muslim majority Pakistan after gaining independence from Britain in 1947 as a result holy shrines of major South Asian religions are spread across borders. The opening of this new car to dog has been welcomed by the Sikh community in both countries the mood here in Punjab is that of happiness and excitement. The peace process between India and Pakistan may be nowhere near in sight but the small step has given people to people relations a new much needed boost. 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And there are a lot of questions to be asked about why that is also people want to know why it took the paramedics so long to reach him they say they were blocked one of the headline The u.s. Secretary of state has warned of the dangers of rising or Thora terror in his I'm 30 years after the fall of the Berlin Wall. You're listening to the b.b.c. World Service is news hour coming to you live from London with James Kim our Saami . Former mayors of New York are rarely out of the news these days for weeks President Trump's personal lawyer Rudy Giuliani has been a fixture on the airwaves we even had a bit of him earlier in this program in Albania Well now it's the turn of Michael Bloomberg the billionaire businessman is sizing up the possibility of joining the race to become the Democratic Party's presidential nominee who Christie censor is a Democratic strategist and president of new heights communications of Washington d.c. Public affairs firm and joins us live so Christie what do you make of this. Well it's definitely interesting you notice that Bloomberg has filed in Alabama which says to me that he's interested in keeping his options open but I'm not sure that he's actually interested in writing still despite how much attention we're giving this. Personally I think that he may be trying to send a message to Joe Biden which is to say get your act together look I wasn't looking at this because I thought you had this under control and now it seems like your campaign assaulting a bit and so you know I may need to get in here again whether he actually means it or whether or not this is just sending sort of a strong message to who he perceives as the man that should be the strongest candidate I'm not totally sure right now and how will Joe Biden take that if if that is the intent. Of that that is look you know whether or not he takes this seriously or not again personally I don't think that Joe Biden should take it that seriously because we already had 20 candidates in the Democratic primary down from something like 2425 earlier this this fall it's it's not that Democratic primary voters are looking for more options there or not they are having a very healthy and spirited debate conversation about the direction of the party and whether we can best beat Donald Trump by going in a more expansive progressive direction or whether we should be in sort of a more safe protectionist Crouch right now that's that's a good con. Station to have but that's not to say to other people who may be thinking about getting into the race that there's an opening here I don't believe that if he is and it's a big if as you've outlined if he is serious about potentially entering the race does he stand a chance of winning it. I can imagine that he there's there's a couple of models that he can sort of see himself at right so I understand why Michael Bloomberg thinks that there's an opening he of course again sees himself more in this Joe Biden moderately so he believes that there's you know obviously you know for what for everything that we can say about how Biden's campaign isn't doing as well as you know baby he or some of his supporters wanted to be doing he's still leading in most polls right so he's still doing that there's obviously an opening there for somebody who espouses the views that he does he also if you're Bloomberg You can also look ahead to the general and he's certainly like sort of the match up there the optics of running against Trump which is to say 'd he can say I'm a real billionaire versus a fake billionaire I'm a real New Yorker here's this big New Yorker the guy who wants to do Florida we're going to fix you know there's lots of you know I'm real business leaders opposed to a comment so I get I understand the way that he believes that he can sort of present himself I just don't you know don't think that that he is reading the electorate in the correct way Christie said Democratic strategist thanks very much . And it's been quite a year for Magen Rypien are not only did she captain the u.s. Women's soccer team to victory at this summer's World Cup but you also want to wards the best player and top goalscorer at the tournament before World Football's body feat for crowned at the top player in the world the female counterpart to Leno Messi b.b.c. News beats Ellen Elena Roper sat down with the athlete and activist in San Francisco to talk about racism equal pay and sexuality and about how she feels about all those accolades it's quite surreal to be honest it's a little strange I think going through you know most of my career and then kind of at the end of it becoming this player you know performing the way they did in the World Cup It's a little ole strange. This is well documented that you were booked in this equal pay to speak with us so now you quit today saying that you now know you I wonder what point do you feel you came to realize I mean honestly we are still probably undervalue herself I would say whatever you you think you're worth you're definitely worth more than that don't settle for anything less go for equal go for more don't accept any of these sort of antiquated and frankly b.s. Answers there's been such a lack of investment for such a long period of time so any direct comparison to the men's sports or the men's leagues is just like wholly unfair so until we have 'd equal investment and over investment really because we've been so undersurface so long we're not going to have any sort of meaningful conversation about compensation and revenues and t.v. Viewership the. Women. Maybe. Some of the stories that have inspired me most you know. And Coulibaly their incredible performances on the field but the way that they've taken on disgusting racism that they have to face this year but probably for their whole lives studying a huge figure for us in the u.k. That you say is not just down to him to speak out about that it's on everyone you know if ever there is like an instance of racism if every single player on the field is not outraged then to me they're part of the problem and they're not doing enough it's very topical for us at the moment so in a recent in the year of 2025 is that they would stop twice because you know race is a piece now the focus area has been told that they have to pay 2 games behind closed doors one of which is suspended and find 65000 pounds I wonder do you think the sanctions are tough enough and they meant for me I'm just like make it super extreme. So it's. So damaging to the team it's so damaging to the federation it's so damaging financially and for the fans who want to go watch the game so Ben Ben it's affecting everyone $65000.00 is an absolute joke now in the u.k. There are no gay male professional. I wonder what would your message be to any players who feel that they're not able to be open about their sexuality 1st and foremost we're seeing you and for you and you know eventually hopefully it will be you know the environment we differ will be different where you feel like you can come out what you think is going to create a kind of a shift in the game. So it's so hard I think that we you know as. An obvious as a society but I think the leagues and the organizations in the team need to do a much better job of setting that environment and setting the precedents prior to the player coming out because clearly they don't feel comfortable coming out there or not feeling safe or secure in that Meghan Rypien the leading footballer leading women's football in the world or using a platform to speak out about issues that she cares about you speaking to the B.B.C.'s Eleanor and that brings us to an end of this edition of News now from a James Tamara Sammy and the rest of the team here in London thanks very much for listening. Now on the b.b.c. 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News Hello I'm Gerri Smit in the past few minutes the International Court of Justice has ruled that it does have judicial power to consider a lawsuit brought by Ukraine against Russia the government in Kiev accuses Moscow of violating un conventions by financing terrorism in eastern Ukraine and by discriminating against Tartars in occupied crime near Russia has argued that huge crane has failed to demonstrate that Moscow had the intent and knowledge required by the convention to trigger the jurisdiction of the court hundreds of people in Hong Kong have gathered for a vigil in the car park where a university student was injured during pro-democracy protests this week and subsequently died police have appealed for calm following the death of a child for you look Steve McDonald is at the vigil for the rush of. The houses of people have come in here and there. For hours to get to the point where he fell in order to pay their respects people are carrying flowers. Bringing these condolence messages and sometimes also placing these messages on the wall there a little Oregon. Words and also as I say hand written notes for people to pressing this sadness to this student activist has died on the eve of the 30th anniversary of the fall of the Berlin Wall the American secretary of state has warned of the dangers posed by.
It's worth at least 1.2 trillion dollars Saudi Arabia wants to develop industries to help win the king to move away from its dependence on oil gunmen in eastern Democratic Republic of Congo have killed a journalist working for a community radio station which was raising awareness about the a bone a virus will Ross reports armed with guns and machetes suspected Mai-Mai rebels attacked the journalists home at night according to local media Pappy member was killed his wife was sexually assaulted and the building set on fire the journalist had just hosted an Ebola awareness program on a community radio station it's likely that this killing was fuelled by deep suspicion of the a bowl of virus and mistrust of those who are working to stop it spreading over the last year there have been close to 200 attacks on health workers ambulances and health centers This is made the task of ending the outbreak even harder at least 4 people have been injured in a knife attack outside a Hong Kong shopping mall which was stormed by riot police trying to break up a pro-democracy protest pictures on social media showed several people bloodied on the ground including the attacker from Hong Kong His Stephen McDonell a man who spoke Mandarin Chinese reportedly slashed several people with a knife before attacking a pro-democracy district councillor and ritual who's standing again in this month's district council elections had part of his ear bitten off by the man who was then subdued by a crowd of onlookers who proceeded to bash him some using metal objects riot police stormed to the shopping mall to arrest protestors who earlier gathered to sing and shared world news from the b.b.c. . The Lebanese president Michel Aoun has called on citizens to unite behind promised political and economic reforms after a wave of anti-government protests the stones spoke as thousands of his supporters gathered at the presidential palace to show their backing for him herself. Rather we've got it. But. We have worked out the way forward which our sister of 3 points the fight against corruption the economy and the civil state these are not easily achieved we need your efforts and those of the protesters to get there but the anti government demonstrators have been unimpressed by pledges of reform and they're demanding a sweeping away of the entire political elite the Bangladeshi government says its controversial plans to start relocating raw hinge of refugees to a remote island are now uncertain because they've so far failed to get the support of the un the country's disaster management and relief minister and a Moroccan man though the b.b.c. That they had hoped to begin moving refugees very soon before the onset of winter hundreds of thousands of range of refugees fled persecution in neighboring me and Mark more than 2 years ago French police are investigating violent disturbances in a Paris suburb the lead to a 1000000 dollars circus marquee being destroyed by fire police said youths had thrown petrol bombs at officers the conservative matter of Chancellor Levene said disturbances began 5 weeks ago when work started to improve the lighting and the look of the town center disrupting drug dealing rescuers in the Himalayas in Nepal have safely brought down a Spanish mountaineer suffering from hypothermia days after a member of his team died after reaching the 7000 meter peak him on the rescue team reach the injured man after his twin brother descended him long to raise the alert b.b.c. News. From w n y c in New York this is on the media Garfield and I'm Brooke lads don't with this news alert California is on a dangerous while fire and threatening hundreds of homes in Los Angeles near the World famous Getty Center in the north a can carry fire so big it looks like this this is 85 miles away in San Francisco California's governor has declared a state wide emergency and then the placing of blame quick and dirty construction of homes and fire prone areas climate change and of course the electrical utility Pacific Gas and Electric this morning Mississippi Gas and Electric blacking out about 1500000 people 30 counties to prevent high winds from toppling power lines sparking down these documents were just filed with the California Public Utilities Commission today they outline how those 2 fires that happened in la could be tied her again to be a power lines now learned that. May be to blame it's here on the subject don't blame says writer when Norton where we lose the forest for the burning trees as she rode on Mt you will dot net this month when you zoom further and further out what you begin to see is an all encompassing crisis of technical debt so technical debt is a term largely used in software development when you talk about doing the quick and dirty and not really figuring out what things need to look like in the long term the classic example of technical debt is the Y2k bug the quick and dirty there was that they used to spots for the year instead of 4 so when the year 2000 came up everything was going to reset to being 1800 instead of If You Can this one and computers need to know what time it is they need to know the date in order to function so all the sudden they were going to time travel in the wrong direction. And this was because they simply kick the can of a problem they knew was going to come down the road this guy didn't fall but that doesn't mean there wasn't the possibility that it might oh yeah it could have really stopped our infrastructure but we pulled together all over the world and put in billions of dollars millions of man hours and largely fixed it and things didn't fall apart but I think people kind of think it was overblown when it wasn't it was fixed it was a great moment for society so you argue that technical debt isn't just an apt metaphor for the wildfire crisis but really refers to a kind of global infrastructure problem yes infrastructures the way we engineer the world and when we do it fast and dirty when we do it in a way that works now without an eye towards what's going to happen in the long run we're building up technical debt in exactly the same way we did with something like Y2k exactly the same way we do now when we build computer systems or your phone or anything like that that just doesn't work as well as it should in the case of the wildfire the infrastructure problem was that people built homes out of materials that weren't appropriate regulations weren't followed or regulations didn't exist what about the wide ranging criticism of Pacific Gas and Electric it was their lines that in some cases sparked these wildfires and they're getting a lot of criticism when they turn off those lines too I think the danger of putting everything on p.g. Any Isn't that p.g. And e. Is particularly good at their job they're not but that we miss the larger point that there's a lot of moving pieces and if you concentrate on one you're not going to be able to fix it what are the moving pieces we're missing. One of them is obviously climate change the fire season. Which has existed in California for longer than humans have existed at all it's a little longer and deeper than it was before the climate start changing but there was a lot of resilience in the ecosystem for that fire season before we started a policy of 100 years of fire suppression it's tough for people to kind of think Ok We're just going to light this area on fire that's going to help thin the forests in the proper way the way they were before humans got here the same way it's been really tough for people to say we're going to cut power in order to save lives even though cutting power threatens lives as the mayor of Paradise said it's kind of a no win situation the forests aren't correct for California they're full of invasive species they're stressed out by their density there's all sorts of factors going on there that create a tinderbox in a place that's already prone to burn and then people move into what's called the wild land urban interface and it probably just shouldn't be there in the same way that we probably should stop building on flood plains we probably should stop building on places that naturally are going to burn down you say that all over Coastal America anyone building a small seawall is just miring in technical debt Yes And I want to I do want to say there are probably specific cases where a small crew seawall is called for but in general people are still building on a coast that is threatened by sea level rise unless they're building in a way that resists the ocean which you can do but almost nobody has done in America then you're just going to get washed away. So you've called California the perfect microcosm but part of your point is that we need to zoom out so where else are we in deep technical get I would say one of the things you can look at is just the map of Louisiana like a 3rd of the state isn't there anymore because we haven't done anything to shore up that coastline and we've continued to explain resources in that area in a way that doesn't allow for natural resources to shore it up and sells the trees that would lock in the land aren't there anymore and the natural thing that happens is the Gulf of Mexico creeps in and takes over more of Louisiana it's a very expensive job we probably can't or don't want to save all of that land but we aren't choosing we're just kind of letting it happen and keeping that big ole booth that we're so familiar with on our political map. One thing I love about your use of the term technical debt is something you just alluded to when we're saying we're deferring spending on infrastructure it suggests that we've chosen not to act on it but your phrase applied here technical That implies that choosing not to spend on infrastructure is in fact in itself a palpable action it's actually borrowing big time you've chosen to go into debt yes we're definitely acting through inaction here or in some cases we're acting counter to what needs to happen we aren't justifying something we're buying our future we're deciding what kind of future we want to live in we are living with the decisions in California that were made 100 years ago by people who didn't want to deal with the system they were in some cases didn't understand the system they were in I mean much of our technical debt around the globe comes from not really understanding how the world worked but we understand a lot more now let's talk about some of that technical debt around the world there's Jakarta for instance you said it's easy to drill for water there until the city sinks rather than figure out water policy where else do you see the bills coming due. The slashing and burning of forests in Indonesia and Brazil where cutting down old growth forest without thinking about how we're going to replace the services those forests we're providing the set up the weather patterns of the world we're not thinking about what that's going to do to rain we're not thinking about what that's going to do to carbon or biodiversity there is an effort right now to handle some of the technical debt that is coming from climate change along the edge of the an area called this a hell where they're trying to do replanting in order to kind of stop the spread of that desert and keep the land below it healthy and good for generating all sorts of exports and living services food and water and all that one of the reasons the Sahara is spreading is that as the planet gets warmer deserts get bigger we're actually pulling water out of offers beneath the Sahara to to try and maintain life in that area it's growing that desert and it's spreading down into this region where hundreds of millions of people live Africa didn't release that carbon but they're going to try and pay that down in the spot that they're in. We've got short term and long term we have levees and closer to my home subways falling apart and a seawall that needs to get built roads bridges tunnels you know so what are the biggest contributors to technical debt short term thinking and compartmentalise thinking so when your the legislature in New York state and you want some money for a thing you're looking at right now and you want to take it from the m.t.a. You're not really thinking about the whole system so we need to go from a short term need mind frame to a systems thinking mind frame and I think that's really difficult in contemporary politics and what about class and race I was just thinking of the water in Flint whereas the water in a different district wasn't tainted in nearly the same way yeah yeah we're thinking in these very narrow ways we're going to prioritize in narrow ways and that's why we decide these people aren't as important putting one person ahead of another rather than saying Ok what does a water system need to look like the irony is that in favoring the powerful and the wealthy you've actually condemned everyone. Yeah by thinking of like I'm going to privilege this system above this system you don't get the benefit of realizing there's not 2 systems there there's one why did you write this article because I think that we really need to start framing this differently I despair that our contemporary politics can in any way deal with the challenge that this century presents us we tend to say these are the things that are happening there discrete events and then we have to rank how important they are and everything about that framework is wrong. You know Jakarta and the fires in the Amazon and the fires in California and all these different things they are fundamentally part of the same system they are part of the way that we have engineered our life on this planet until we see that as one system if I go back to the software metaphor it's a guy thinks in his little bit of the i Phone code who doesn't care what happens to the rest the i Phone code and that's how you get like a huge bug in the Iowa system that's going to have to be emergency updated in a month or so in terms of technical debt. We heading to a place where perhaps Google or Amazon or Apple or Microsoft or Facebook they have their own fixes but they're proprietary and as we increasingly rely on them we'll have areas where things just fall apart the center doesn't hold Well I think when you talk about natural systems you don't get more than one operating system so when the planet says no you can't switch to you know the Martian operating system. But with still be able to do that in in the technical world yes the technical world is a world we've built. But as powerful and a meaning is humanity is it's still constrained by this planet and that needs to be how we think about how we build stuff thank you Glenn thank you very much for having me Lynn Norton writes more and now her piece is titled a world we built to burn. Coming up in a toxic website runs aground but is fighting for another chance to be fouled the Internet stuff doesn't really matter this is the media. 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And is one of the $5000.00 or so largest websites on the Internet and I would describe a chain and other similar sites almost 24 hour a day Klan or Neo Nazi rally and for years people no cite said that the racism that they posted was basically just where the winner is you ever post the most sense of thing possible these communities have been able to organize harassment campaigns as well as share the personal information of their enemies people's addresses credit card numbers the notorious anonymous forum played host to the worst of the game are gay trolls allt right hate groups and punishes conspiracy theories like pizza gate about a cub Olive Democrats running a child sex ring out of a pizza parlor but in $2198.00 Chan finally hit the skids when the shooters at the Christ Church mosque in New Zealand and those behind the power a California synagogue shooting and the El Paso Texas Wal-Mart shooting each used a chan to spread their manifestos that's when the cyber security firm servicing Chan backed away the website security and. Network provider cloud Fair says it will no longer provide support to the website 8 Chan that's where the suspected gunman in Saturday's attack posted a 4 page manifesto just minutes before opening fire in a Wal-Mart more than 20 people were killed hackers swarmed the now unprotected servers of 8 Chan following the August El Paso shooting forcing the site offline but this is been a month of feverish activity for the small group of 8 chanted ministers anxious to launch a new site with a different name which raises crucial questions can a chance dead does the saga of h.n. Offer insights into the mechanics of digital media and how it enables bad actors to lethally overheat the so-called national conversation our producer Michael Owen chair isn't it I'm fairly confident a chance would be back up and running right now if not for one social media activist I know that if it can comes back it's only a matter of time before there is another it's going to get shooting and that's what drives me to do all this that's Frederick Brennan the founder of a Chan and now its most vocal critic by pressuring web companies like Cloud Flare to deny their services to the relaunch he's attracted in onslaught of attacks from a chans devotees can I read one of the messages that you posted Sure go ahead it says you're a pathetic fat disgusting little Miss shaped after birth that should have been slammed against a wall seconds after birth it obviously goes on and it gets more gruesome you are subjecting yourself to I imagine quite a bit of emotional distress Yes there is emotional abuse and you know a lot of them have been trolling me nonstop even drawing pictures of me being thrown down the stairs which would be legal due to my disability Brennan who is 25 years old was born. With brittle bone disease the white nationalists conspiracy theorists all the people trolling him now all used to hang out with him on a chair and I know that these people are living pathetic satellite if they're sending me that kind of stuff I know that that's true because you know I was a kind of president who can add anything going for them in life. You were 19 when you started a chant right yeah that's right everybody knows the famous story where I was like on a mushroom trip and I was coming down and that's when I came up with the idea for like a board and ready combined sounded really good to me while I was in that state but obviously loose an agenda and he used them a lot when he was living at his mom's house in Atlantic City after ditching high school didn't cause the each and we know today it's good brand of toxicity took time to develop it started with gamers and a chance spiritual precursor for g.m. In 2014 fortune band the discussions of a group of angry male gamers who used the forum to terrorize female cultural critics who wrote about sexism in the gaming industry Steve Bannon nudged those trolls into the all right and Fred Brennan gave them sanctuary on a chain he says to boost traffic I used them basically we've boards this on Holy Alliance and I was kind of aware of the political arguments that image board users make about free speech you know that it's all just about the marketplace of ideas and the best ideas fall out as bait and admin I never saw any good ideas fall out I just saw each community getting more and more extreme in their rhetoric. Brennan incubated a cesspool of recessed rhetoric and harassment campaigns and he only removed material that bleat only broke u.s. Laws. Brennan told me that he had little at stake in this free speech experiment because all the legal liability fell on the chance eccentric middle aged owner and financier Jim Watkins him Watkins were so close that Brennan moved to Watkins neighborhood in the Philippines where both still live but then their relationship soured but it can getting more and more radical basically admitted that he didn't care if it made money or not he just likes the infamy that it brings him and he had always said that is plan was to try to monetize it so that came as a surprise I just felt like he was acting in a very weird a way and I did not want to be around him so I resigned in 2018 and lo and behold the grassroots shooting happened 3 months later police are working to identify the bodies of the big people killed during an attack by heavily armed gunmen on 2 mosque in Christchurch New Zealand on March 15th the accused shooter announced his grim intentions on the controversial message board chant but you know I figured all right let's see if they'll clean up their act then they didn't after that hearing they kept their slogan and brazen for me and then happen the Poway shooting and then happen the up also accusing the suspected gunman in power I posted praise for a chant just before the shooting saying I've only been lurking for a year and a half yet what I've learned here is priceless it's been an honor there are some clues emerging in the aftermath of the shooting in El Paso Texas the suspect there posted a manifesto on the website a chat moments before the shooting this week the family of a woman killed in the opacities shooting filed a lawsuit against the allegedly any one year old killer his parents his grandparents Jim Watkins the c.e.o. Of a chance former cyber security provider Cloud Flare and Brennan. But the lawyers face a considerable hurdle Section $230.00 of the Communications Decency Act that says that websites are not responsible for the content posted by their users Brennan thinks that the lawsuit against him is quote bogus He says he was just an employee at a Chan and he points to his recent activism against the site I believe victims of radicalization who say that they were radicalized on h.n. And I'm sorry to them that I made you know a website where they were radicalized I clearly didn't recognize the harm that I was doing and the harm sites like it can do I can't tell if you're fighting it because you're just stirred by what it's become or if you're just really upset with this person you used to work with well why can't it be both I understand why I'm a complicated figure preventing more it can connect the Cubans is the main reason but it is also true that I have a dislike for Jim Watkins Watkins declined our request for comment almost 2 months after it went offline each and tweeted out a video and an archaic Black Flag ripples in the rain a new logo emerges in a flash of lightning it reads. Brennan says the name a coon is intended to herald a more mature site Chan in Japanese means child but Kuhn means young adult. He doesn't buy it I don't believe that Keynes I believe that it's the same as it's always been get as much in from me as possible for him and it's just nonsensical a koan rebrand and it just made me really angry and I decided I'm going to do whatever I can to get shut down. Watkins reassured followers on a far right podcast that the new site would be more secure we'll have less points of failure 'd nobody in America would do business with us so he looked for help overseas 1st with a British Web company called there they tried to get on it like 4 or 5 times and I got him kicked all the time how did you do that I just let a fire under certain journalists that I knew and I tweeted out they're kept including their name send them some information there of units and then boom they took them offline so they can tried elsewhere including the giant Chinese Internet service providers 10 sent in Ali Baba tweeted tweeted tweeted tweeted when those fell through Watkins turn to select l a web hosting firm in Russia where each and was officially banned in 2015 tweeted pleaded tweeted tweeted so far Brennan and other social media activists have kept a chant on the run but the game is far from over because there's another dark wrinkle to a chain a coon story another reason why Brennan is racing the clock to keep the site off line. Jim Watkins main lieutenant told me that their main focus is getting the key on people back and we all know that Q And on is a ridiculous scam who is Q What is Q and on and why should it concern us at all Ok the big questions Mike Roth's child conspiracy theory debunker and contributor to The Daily Dot Q anon is a conspiracy theory that holds that a trumpet ministration insider with access to highly classified military intelligence is leaving clues to an upcoming purge of the deep state by using the message board a chance to deliver riddles and prompts and out of context pictures that followers will decode so they know what's really going on I saw a story about this q. And a. Unbuyable shooting up to the top 20 Amazon best sellers list yeah and ranking authors like f. Scott Fitzgerald and Dr Seuss anonymously written the book contains a compilation of unproven radical conspiracy theories suggesting high ranking Democrats are part of a cold that each children claiming the government created aids in saying it's also behind the movie Monsters Inc Oh there was also that one murder in the name of Kuna Yeah the mob boss allegedly shot dead in Staten Island by the young man who drew the letter q. On his hand along with some q. Catchphrases q. And on is a philosophy that revolves around extra judicial violence the entire idea of this event they call the storm or the Great Awakening is essentially a massive unsealing of tens of thousands of indictments against basically every prominent liberal in every field of industry and that they will all be taken into custody by some kind of militia force that answers to nobody and then they'll be tried in the field and then they'll either be sent to Guantanamo Bay or they'll be executed you can't tell people that there is a pedophile a Cobol running every aspect of their life and at some point not expect someone to do something about it you'd probably think the impeachment inquiry would be red meat for the human on crowd and yet we haven't heard a single word from its anonymous hearten hero it's spinner of theories the person known only as q. He is silent why he had so much faith in the untouchability and invincibility of can that he tied himself to it with iron canes Q The real q. Whoever he or she or they are was tired of all the impersonators on sites like Reddit and 4 chan feeding off of its mystery and sapping its power so q. Vowed to prophesied on each and only but he changes no more. Q Is buried itself alive I find absolutely hilarious it's all his fault and there is no way that the Cuban leavers can like it even started a Q Because because it would just break the entire mythology it would be saying that q. Is so weak that a disabled man in the Philippines can take down his home just by sending a few emails and the entire us military intelligence operation is not powerful enough to stop me right this is why it's so important that we don't let them get on line if they can comes back for even a few hours you can move you can post a cryptographic key and with that code followers can find the true q. Wherever he wants to post and Brennan says that could happen soon late my reporting I learned that Jim Watkins had struck a deal with Van watt tech a new u.s. Based cyber security company run by its c.e.o. And only employee Nick Lim I've been doing this stuff for over a decade but then what tech itself is a relatively new company you said over a decade Yeah Ok Just because you sound kind of young and the picture I saw of you online you seemed like you were like in your mid twenty's or something yeah I'm 22 right now but I mean I've been running businesses since about 8 years old just pay for my bills Wow Ok Are you familiar with the context for why your old company bit mitigate and now a number of other companies were not willing to do business with a Tran Yeah I'm not I mean I've never been to a website before I don't really know much about it when I got them as my client as a person and I heard about and also when they got. When did you acquire them as a client probably within the last month or so it's been a month but you haven't read any articles about it Chan or talk to anyone else in the cybersecurity web infrastructure community about the drama surrounding the website. I just try to stay away from drama. Several days after our conversation Lim tweeted a can will be back and stronger than ever so maybe Lim will be providing security to enable the launch of a can what does that mean for q. If q. Can post this key on a can even briefly he can go anywhere but what if it could never launches could you really kill his conspiracy theory by getting rid of his platform. I asked Brennan whether he thought this strategy of de platforming could effectively curb the power of Cuban and and other extreme ideologies everything is a short term solution and these people will always find a way they have a lot of legal protection on their side in the United States stopping people from being radicalized for a few months I think is a victory young men all over the United States are not being exposed to some of the propaganda and age and and they will not grow up with that in their lives so I I would say that even if it's not a total long term solution that doesn't mean to not try the virtual disappearance of right wing troll my Lilian opulence and conspiracy peddler Alex Jones thrown off of Twitter and You Tube respectively demonstrates that the platforming works but those are individuals not communities some researchers of the far right say that shutting off sites like e chairman is like putting a Band-Aid on a bullet wound but at a time when our politicians seem unwilling to enact policies that would curb mass violence if Internet companies want to take greater responsibility it's worth a try. 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This is on the media I'm for a clad stone and I'm pop Garfield if the story about 8 Chan is a tale of bad actors with worse intentions this next piece is the mirror opposite emerged a few months back when Radio Lab reporter Molly Webster was searching for stories and being from Ohio naturally checked out the website Cleveland dot com There she found a piece about the site's own experiment in applying what's known as quote the right to be forgotten using a complex and evolving set of criteria Cleveland dot com was trying to determine who has the right to have stories about them deleted so that they don't come up in Internet searches in perpetuity intrigued Molly called up Chris Quinn whose byline had been on the story Quinn had started out at the Cleveland Plain Dealer as a reporter and then became an editor and then in 2013 the head of an entirely new newsroom Molly. Takes it from here he basically became the editor in chief of their online paper Cleveland dot com What we really were trying to do was figure out what kind of content does the digital audience want the audience was different the format was different the speed at which they had to put up stories was different but there was one part of the online process that stuck out to him and it had to do with time and memory I think was in 2014 when I 1st wrote about it back in the day if you did something stupid got arrested and ended up in the paper people would read it in the morning and then they'd throw it out and it drops out of sight I mean there's some newspapers that kept indexes that would be at the library have someone really wanted to find it. They'd probably have to spend hours or days just strolling through microfiche slides. To discover that thing about you from your past. And now that everything is on line it's their right up front forever so as clean dot com started putting up all these stories about people driving drunk or vandalizing property or streaking across the football field Chris started getting these e-mails requests from people to take down stories about them he made a big mistake up to it and paid for his situation has had a horrific effect on myself and maimed them because they're embarrassed or it hurts their ability to get jobs these stories have come up in every job interview I had in the last 5 years we were crushing them psychologically I'm just in a corner and don't know what to do. It didn't feel good but there was a longstanding feeling that we're the 1st version of history and that these archives are sacrosanct and you would never change them every month I get more of these requests from somebody saying your story is wrecking my life imploring you to help them overcome a mistake so Chris made an announcement this was. A column that I read and it said something like you know if you've had an article written about you and it was biased and you want it taken down or your name deleted or something send us an email and we'll consider it and I just bought who has a right to be forgotten and for reasons I don't entirely understand he just said why you just come see for yourself we talk it out. Just acknowledging this continues to be very much an experiment so that brings me into the room I'm Molly Webster they meet about once a month when I visited there were 7 people in the room and there was the special projects manager the social media editor the public advocacy manager of crimes editor a former rock critic who is now the head of the culture desk and sports editor here Ok we all sit around the long table and we're not going to name the people as we talk about them or just use the numbers for the cases and everyone has in front of them this document that's about 50 pages it has 12 different cases outlined in each case has got the articles attached to it the statement of the person about what they want removed is it a name or mugshot and a personal plea for why they want it taken down already Yes Right so this is an attorney that it did plead to a misdemeanor and did have it expunged when this would seem to me to me a no brainer if you plead guilty to obstruction of justice a misdemeanor charge of started just this. Quick note for a morass of legal and ethical reasons we're going to try to keep all the people we talk about anonymous so you're going to hear a number of beliefs you have no context I don't know what he said in the writing of this you know he just you know. They started getting in these arguments about how much value an article had and whether or not it was serving a public good we need to put names because it's part of the public record. This is Kelly McBride She's an ethicist at the Poynter Institute I did have this experience where my kid was on a soccer team and there was this coach who seemed really questionable to me in the way that he acted around the kids and sure enough on the mug shot site in my local hometown this guy showed up for domestic violence so I went to the director and I was like hey this guy can't be working for us and that's the use that journalists point to you should be able to find out the bad information about somebody because you might be considering employing this person around your children or employing them at all is this thing the lawyer did bad enough that all of us need to know about it if I'm one of his customers I would probably want to know that but he's licensed to practice law all right the bar here I mean they're pretty thorough about deciding whether somebody is fit to practice law you can hear them putting a lot of weight on whether or not a court has sealed or expunged a record the court said yes you've done your time you can have it sealed and we would need a very strong argument here not to do that it will make your argument stronger that they are I mean no I guess. In the end they decided that this lawyer had the right to be forgotten and so they just sort of like. Vanished his name from the article and that was one of the simpler ones like after that things definitely got tougher because some of the cases were so complicated like someone who killed somebody and then it was labeled self-defense that's still killing somebody does that person have the right to be forgotten and then one of the hardest cases all right on the 4th one he did have it expunged was actually a cop his record was sealed but it is a police officer over the course of a few years he lied on his time sheet and walked away with thousands of dollars we've said on the front end of this that sex crimes violence crimes and corruption were were much less likely to do this so would you view this as corruption or more as a theft an office kind of thing the cop said basically Look I've been on the force for many years this was just one mistake this was not some elected official this was not use of force I mean this guy was skimming over time but when the firefighters were haven't time stuff too I mean that was a big problem but this is one guy doing one thing I'm so back and forth on this one he didn't abuse authorities an officer I mean this is like any other theft yet but for him to a higher standard for being car if you see people just like opinion shift this was not a momentary lapse in judgment this went on for like there's and mark the public trust issue here you know this isn't some water department guy skimming copper off the job site like this is a police officer stealing over time over the course years all right 1st right now it's like yes I think I let him be forgotten but now I'm kind of on the other side is not a public threat but. The if you know public position he should be held to a higher standard if we get back to our central question is the value of having his name there greater than the pain that's causing him for being there. Again and again Chris just steer the conversation back to that question but how do you know what information will be valuable in the future I mean what stops him from going to get a job if you get it sealed and the story goes away in other offices might not be. Losses. We should look that up because if if I mean we're talking about another Tamir Rice case. 12 year old Tamir Rice waving at fathering over the conversation was what happened to 12 year old career right holding a toy gun so in 2014 in Cleveland police officer shot and killed 2 near Rice after they saw him holding a toy gun the 2 policeman said that Rice was warned 3 times to show his hands but no bystander heard bad or any warning before the. Woman And I do not know this but the cop who shot him killed Tamir Rice before he worked in Cleveland he worked in another police department where he was deemed unfit to serve and then when the Cleveland Police Department was hiring him they didn't dig into his records and then the other police department didn't like off for the records and since it had never been a news story that was Google like no one knew about it so he was hired if if all records of this disappear and he applies to be a cop again your it would be basically our fault that he's able to. To bad things and so in this case one of the thoughts in the room is what if one of these people in a future year does something horrendous right wouldn't you want to know about their past transgressions are actually talked about this with Chris in one of our interviews I mean wouldn't that make those past transgressions relevant again and he told me that when they do decide to delete someone we're keeping a spreadsheet of the names that we've taken out how that feels like a crazy powerful spreadsheet Yeah I know is it in a vault is like I keep saying is this is an experiment. And we're not we're not there yet. With time she got guy. Once to me or Rice walked into the room you could have Beal them the energy shifts to the non deletion side so they just wrapped up decided not to delete him and then like on to the next case newsrooms are tearing their hair out trying to figure out how to deal with this that's pointer ethicist Kelly McBride again because there are thousands and thousands of people who did one stupid thing and that is the thing that the Internet remembers them or it is a huge conversation happening now because of something that's like bubbling up in Europe. In Spain this guy Mario in 1908 he basically gone into bankruptcy at which point the local newspaper published an announcement about it and then 10 years go by Mario cleaned up got his money back guy's life back on course and so he reaches out to the newspaper and he was like hey I've cleaned up my life can you take this bulletin down so it doesn't show up on the Internet and the newspaper says no and then he goes to Google and he says. List this from your search engine and they say no and so long story short he actually takes Google to court gets all the way up to the European Union court which is like the Supreme Court of the European Union and in 2014 the judges make a decision that if something is out of date irrelevant or not accurate a person can request a search engine to take it down. A new right is established this is when you start to hear the phrase right to be forgotten the unfortunate element of human remembering is that because our brain forgets automatic Kelly we never had to deal with deliberate forgetting this is Victor Victor my ocean Berger professor of Internet governance arts for at university we can't deliberate forget if I tell you please forget that my 2nd name is Michael you will remember that and so the problem was we don't know how to disregard memories of our past we don't know how to forgive if we remember and so as we become a remembering society we become an untrue giving society so he is a strong proponent of policies that help us forget even just a little bit I'm not in favor of and maybe lading memories I'm in favor of putting them into Sure box and stashing them in the attic so that if you really want to make the effort to go up there you can take them down pour yourself a glass of wine and go through them but you don't stumble over them every day. All right this is a good one college kid who couldn't. So one of the cases that Chris and the other editors talked about while I was there was this college student who got involved in a drug operation it is a college kid doing something very very stupid but I mean it's going to dog him for the rest of his life if it stays on our side when he knows about it. But this is a college kid doing something really bad even he was enabling people to do drugs is later on is trying to get on with his life so the 1st that you hear in the room is just you know my God we were all idiots in college we should take these articles down I didn't have an issue with this one but if somebody does pick up and encourage but then on the other side there is something to me that's different between. And you know selling pot on the side when you're in college or something you get caught for it and he's getting it expunged I mean the other thing we could do is say when you're expungement complete a lot of snow and we'll take it down but it was later he was in college he was 25 he wasn't like he was 18 so remove the fact that this is a clean cut kid who was going to a private college move this scenario to the same age the same race. But not in college and inside that rural community and at this point the questions of race and class come into the room all the editors who are white Most went to college themselves is that biasing them in some way would our willingness to forgive this kid be different if the social economic issue j.c. This isn't about forgiveness it's about the idea that on our site because we are so big when you search for somebody this is the 1st thing you find and we haven't set any kind of economic strata for this we haven't set a geographic strata we're considering each case as it comes in does this kid deserve to have his name removed as you heard Chris reacted to the a properly to the word forgiveness I think it's almost presumptuous for me to think that I can forgive these people but in a sense you've taken on if we if we acknowledge these people and offer them wrists by it will help the rest of the world do that too that to me sounds like forgiveness I don't feel like we're forgiving the 7 people who asked for this relief I feel like we're enabling them to carry on with their lives without the baggage of the mistakes they made because society's very judgmental I think what we can do is kind of revert back to the way things worked before the Internet well if we think the answer to this is to unpublished everything that somehow we collectively think ought to be unpublished that is a pipe dream I ran Christmas stop by Deborah Dwyer who is a doctoral student at the University of North Carolina Chapel Hill School of Media internal listen she has been studying journalists. How they're approaching takedown requests in this whole like right to be forgotten issue and basically what she told me is you can only delete so much we're never going to be able to eradicate our past that ship has sailed but organizations I talked to said they were considering not covering arrests or court cases actual trials and less They could see them through their completion there's never going to be a perfect way to clean up everyone's past we've got to learn to live with it and if we can decide maybe that we ought to address it with a little bit of compassion that gives me hope. And looking for one of the simple ones just to delete after. This is just leaving like a 2 sentence paragraph maybe one sentence paragraph it just says His name's guys on the media is a production of Wu n.y.c. Studios I'm broke the lads down and I'm Bob Garfield on the media is supported by the Ford Foundation the John s. And James l. Knight Foundation and the listeners of w. N.y.c. Radio. 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