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Kate's law and sanctuary city law -- legislation that has already been passed by the house. mitch mcconnell hasn't brought that legislation up for a vote. i would like to see him bring that up for the vote and get republicans on record on the issue and also get democrats on the record on the issue. you remember ralph north am running for governor elect of virginia, a democrat. switched his stance on the issue of sanctuary cities. i would like to see senators like joe -- these senators running for reelection in states that president trump won by double digits. i want to see them get on the reco...

Talons ready to take me on. welcome back, everybody, to our two hour special edition of "at large." we are tracking two of the biggest stories of the day, that toxic immigration debate. also the malignantly spreading oil spill. the president will be speaking at about 10:15 eastern time. 45 minutes if now. then jay leno takes over. the first lady will be standing up at the podium in about five minutes. so as we await the evening's high octane entertainment let's continue our discussion of the draconian new arizona law. first, ann, with you, why is it not draconian? >> i can think of no other la...