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I think these programs and the way that obama has pursued them are an attempt to establish in law a set of rules the country can live with. and although general hayden would have preferred, obviously, that we not have this debate and that these things remain secret, we're now in a debate that will have the useful consequence of people getting to make sensible decisions about the programs, do they really add to our security? it looks like the public thinks they do. >> right. >> are you willing to give up something to have that security? looks like the public wants -- >> but jim, as head of the ...

End, and i think the country wants it to end. i think these programs and the way that obama has pursued them are an attempt to establish in law a set of rules the country can live with. and although general hayden would have preferred, obviously, that we not have this debate and that these things remain secret, we're now in a debate that will have the useful consequence of people getting to make sensible decisions about the programs, do they really add to our security? it looks like the public thinks they do. >> right. >> are you willing to give up something to have that security? looks like t...

David. the state of permanent anxiety that followed 9/11 should end. i think these programs, in the way that obama has pursued them, are an attempt to establish in law a set of rules the country can live with. and although general hayden would have preferred obviously we not have this debate and that these things remain secret, we're now in a debate that we'll have the useful consequence of people getting to make sensible decisions about the programs, do they really add to our security. it looks like the public thinks they do. are you willing to give up something to have that security. >> well...

Voices and ideas from business leaders and from experts who weren't part of the usual washington crowd. and i tasked jeff and the other advisors with one mission -- help to steer our nation from deep recession into recovery. help take the economy from one that is shrinking to one that is growing. and over the past two years i've been very grateful for their advice. and i especially want to commend the man who chaired the panel, one of the nation's preeminent economists, the former head of the federal reserve paul volker. he offered unvarnished advise and he wasn't afraid to counter the convent...