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Perm tr perpetrator is a person of color. and with respect to how black people are sentenced to white people being sentenced, these are just facts now, it is clarinclar glaring. >> i want to talk about another story of privilege. m.i.t. and the media labs relationship with jeffrey epstein. lawrence lesig defended the man who took money from epstein and covered it up, but he is arguing that the reality today is that universities need to take money from questionable sources because they're using the money for good. what do you think of that argument? >> i was shocked at his argument in other par...

>> so there's laws to make them vote on bloc. >> it's that group of people. why do we have them? >> it's not that they're being allowed to do the job that the founders gave them, but it looks to me that they're going to do the job the way they have interpreted their mandate. >> the good news is it makes everybody read the constitution, again. and that's never a bad thing. molly, april, matthew, thank you very much. my entire interview with lawrence lesig, because if you're really into this topic and kind of a constitutional junkie, you'll enjoy this interview at meetthepressnbc.com. after the ...

Most states have passed laws to force that. harvard professor and one-time democratic candidate told me he was aware of at least 20 republican electors who are considering casting a bat ol for someone other than donald trump. >> they can't be forced by law, but they have an ethical moral obligation when they take the pledge and must vote that way unless there is an overriding moral reason not to vote that way. the disqualification or the failure of a candidate to live up to the qualifications would be one such reason. that's exactly the issue that is raised by this election. the electoral coll...

Card. >> i'm not suggesting that. i would say if he did, things would dramatically change. i'm saying if he toughened up and secured our allies and our nation. >> here with us now, professor at the harvard law school and cofounder of the containing conference, lawrence lesig. he endorsed obama in 2008, but he says that he abandoned the promise to change the way that washington works. he wrote the cover story in "the nation." we'll get to that. but first, your thoughts on sarah palin at the tea party convention. how much attention should be paid to it? >> she should have a lot of attention paid...

Go through their talking points. on this show we tell you what people are saying behind the scenes and it makes people very angry until, of course, we find out later on what was really going on. a lot of conservatives, a lot of republicans, less than impressed with sarah palin, but they are all afraid of her. they are afraid to go out and say she embarrassed herself in the press conference after that speech and say that she was less than stellar on fox news sunday with chris wallace. >> and she is capitalizing, and i'll read from your piece right now, because it fits into this conversation. sh...