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Guys who said, look, man, don't shut us down. if you shut us down, it's going to hurt people's lives. it's going to hurt our economy. and that was always true. nobody wanted to shut down, but now he is insisting with his refusal to make it more likely we'll have to do that again. what ill logic? that's confusing. what's confusing is choosing to see unvaccinated people as a problem but only if they enter the country illegally. you saw them throw it in there because he's from texas. why? because it's a boogie man. it is not true that migrants who cross the border from mexico are not tested. they...

Now he is insisting with his refusal to make it more likely we'll have to do that again. what ill logic? that's confusing. what's confusing is choosing to see unvaccinated people as a problem but only if they enter the country illegally. you saw them throw it in there because he's from texas. why? because it's a boogie man. it is not true that migrants who cross the border from mexico are not tested. they are. oh, i heard there's been a surge of cases in the detention centers. there has. two reasons. one, our immigration system sucks. and nobody wants to fix it. the laws aren't right. the reso...

>> we don't. >> reporter: so where does that leave -- >> not yet. i think it will show up sooner or later, if we keep it up. >> reporter: it's a very political debate in our country. >> no doubt about that. >> reporter: do you believe that donald trump is still getting pressure from the republican party, his own party here, that this will stand? >> i think he's getting pressure from all sides. >> reporter: understandably? >> well, i understand the big push for separation of the children from their mothers. that has got to be a real -- that's a big point. and that's so important. but still, we ...