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Taking place in 2018, does this lay ground work, add another layer to any investigation of the obstruction of justice? or does it depend who the communication was with? >> sure. if it proves out based on what we know so far from the special counsel investigation that there were communications that were lied about, and if information was being passed back and forth between senior white house officials and manafort, that might suggest, we don't know yet, dots still have to be connected, that there was communication about potentially being pardoned that might suggest that manafort might have want...

Nation's counter terrorism strategy after september 11, and helped lay ground work for the secret nsa programs that are now generating so much controversy. now he is speaking out about those spy programs and the admitted leaker, edward snowden, in a rare interviews on fox news sunday. vice president cheney calling snowden a traitor and suggesting he could be a foreign spy. more on that in a moment. here is the former vp defending the government surveillance critical to our national security. >> we made a decision based on 9/11 that was no longer had a law enforcement problem and we're at war. ...