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But it's -- and it is hair splitting as to whether he's saying fire mueller or end the investigation. and the other possibility is he's saying i think that it is coming to its own natural end but it's clearly premature. we've just had a subpoena for the trump organization. we have a lot of foreign governments that are being looked at. and i don't think it would be wise to end it. it's the same thing as what the house intelligence committee did, which is to terminate an investigation that was still being productive and that was definitely -- hadn't reached its natural end. and the american peop...

Presentations during i believe 2004 and 2005 where they offered, and i'm quoting, contracts at the -- contacts at the highest levels of federal, state government, and access to top transformational leadership across industry and government. what is that? >> well, that sounds a lot like lobbying. and certainly this is not an uncommon theme in washington where former officials have been able to parlay their clout, their influence and their connections within the government and their former colleagues within the government into lucrative contracts that they sometimes term consulting, sometimes te...