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>> let's talk about this more and i want you take on what you think must happen in this upcoming election. what do you think has to be the state of play? what do you think has to be the priority of message and messenger on the democratic side. there's other things. it's a rare opportunity to have you here. i'm going to milk it. stay with me. we'll keep eric holder here. another thing i have to ask the a.g. about, this jared kushner interview. he said some things. even about birtherism. something that should have been a lay up that was obvious. he was asked about what he would do if he were app...

The charge was amvet, and the executive director told me that politics be damned on this, we need to do the right thing for john mccain. so the lieegion sort of got it e public face of making this happen, but there were a number of veterans groups that were pushing on this as well. everybody i talked to doesn't know if their letters made a big difference, but there are millions of members that stand behind the statements that were made, probably had some effect. >> the flag thing is kind of interesting because as you know the president is a stickler for some things around the flag, calling nfl...

A white house that sfteps in it every few hours. >> it took a while before he actually did it. the word out there is that the president didn't want to honor mccain in the way that other giants of the senate and other lawmakers have been honored in the past. and it took -- it took these turning of the screws by veterans groups, by lawmakers, by people in the white house to make this actually happen. there's no real -- there's nothing that's showing us, you know, what the turning point was or the point that made the president actually make this decision occur. but there was a preponderance of we...

You guys elected him because you guys gave him all that attention. thomas freidman is saying from the times, saying give him all the attention. >> let's say you don't have a -- let's say you have a decent democratic candidate to oppose him. you don't have the punching bag of hillary clinton. i think the contrast between trump and that candidate could be very large if he continues to go around and calling people like don lemon and lebron james dummies or his daily kind of divisive and really unstable behavior. >> take my final minute and answer the lay-up that i gave you. this is another summer...

About valerie jarrett, the president had the opportunity. it's a lay up. why didn't he? >> i assume it's not in him. when you refuse to not confront -- he had the option of not weighing in. when use choose to weigh in and you choose to ignore the bigger part of the story, which is that you must condemn, you must condemn what she said and he chose not to. choosing not to do that says a lot about him himself, whether he doesn't see it as a big problem, accepts it, approves of it. those are the options. it would not surprise me -- you keep saying this because it's true, that the man's just a raci...