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Hard place with donald trump. because the congressional caucuses and his representative, they can't abandoned him. he's a lead balloon for them at this point. >> it's fascinating to see how big that drop is with evangelicals. what he has not done which i think has been obvious to all of us is since the election he has not converted any person who hasn't voted for donald trump, no one's been converted to donald trump which is the business you're in when you come in second in the vote, which is what he did in that campaign. and all he's done is lose support. >> what i thought is interesting, you...

Talking about this? >> yes. that's indisputably what he did. you saw it in the body loanguag of the governor there. he made a joke about the debt and nobody laughed. it went over like a lead balloon, that one and when he equated the tragedy of puerto rico to a real tragedy like katrina, again, you know, that's not what people who are in the midst of a -- basically an apock l -- area outside of san juan, that's not what they want to hear. >> we saw the president give the floor to people who he knew would praise him and their response. it is that feedback that he is always craving, yet, he made ...

As he describes it. he actually brought this up in a closed door meeting yesterday and pumped to members, after the meeting went ahead and described the reception, landed like a lead balloon. tell you where the idea is here. >> the rest us, stupid enough to think it's a smart -- >> he's in -- rand paul is not the leader of republicans in the senate. there's a reason. >> and crazy, everybody up here that's seen this happen. crazy ideas sometimes end up being the answer to things. saw it in the debt limit. a wild thing i'll throw out and it ends up being the thing. what rand paul pumping is not ...

Watch. >> republicans ran for office and four elections, saying that obamacare should be repealed. they eventually amended that to say it should be repealed and her place. conservatives are going to feel awfully hoodwinked, held to pay, if they don't pass some version of health care reform. >> if we don't reach agreement on friday, it is probably the end of a sole party effort for health care, then if we don't reach by friday, then some of the way forward is obamacare collapse, challenging democrats to work with us to print something better. >> martha: joining me now, one of those who are look...

Talking, went over like a lead balloon, i think were your words. then, you spoke to the president about the possibility of splitting the bill. how much support is that? have you spoken to mitch mcconnell? >> the idea has been talked about for i think at least a year in private that there may be another opportunity of a separate bill that has more bipartisan support that would include some of the spending that people in the republican caucus launch. i think if you separated it into two bills, you could get it done by friday, you could come to an agreement. >> martha: is this an idea that is get...