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Administration, i think the feeling for many in the white house has got to be the same. >> yeah, no i think so. we certainly felt it. that was a big ethic of obama campaign. you know he said, in his farewell address, that he urged young people to hitch themselves off to something larger than themselves. that's the way, everyone felt. that you were there, it was a calling. and so, there is, there is a real seriousness about this. >> as this new administration faces the beginning, i moon you -- i mean, how do you transition from a campaign to governing? and what is that transition like? >> it is...