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Liddy, the two principal guys that would organize watergate and they initially -- and the reason the white house was involved in watergate is because of things they had done when working at the white house, mainly breaking into daniel elseburg's psychiatrist's office trying to find out if he was up to more leaks. >> i had forgotten that that was the origin story. the plumbers start because of the white house obsession with stopping leaks. >> that's exactly right and we have now -- we have another president who seems equally as obsessed. hopefully he's learned something from history. he was old...

Obsessed. hopefully he's learned something from history. he was old enough to remember watergate and he will avoid using the kind of leak cures used by richard nixon. >> what do you learn from that white house about what happens if a president is willing to cut corners? >> it's not wise. presidents have to be open about what they're going to do. they cannot have secret squads looking for leakers. they can't have enemies they want to punish because of their leaks. it's part of the territory. it was ineffortable because of the way trump is approaching his presidency. he's planning to shake thing...