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Government and governance when some of these people just came off the street not knowing how to turn a light switch-on in the white house and literally trying to figure out how to turn on the heat. and that's the truth. >> that is the truth. >> it is. the bottom line is that you have people in there who are not just leaking, they're whistle blowing. and this leak thing is one thing, but people are letting it be known that something is wrong. they're doing the best they can. and i believe that's where we're finding out the s-hole kmenlts, this horrific crazy, i don't even know the words to say ...

Tune. >> we have to demand it, don. >> here's the problem. here's the problem. we have to remember, some of those people in the white house have been in white houses before. some of those people who are staff have been around government and governance when some of these people just came in off the street not knowing how to turn a light switch on in the white house. and literally trying to figure out how to turn on the heat. but here's the bottom line, and that's the truth. >> that is the truth. >> it is. but the bottom line is is that you have people in there who are not just leaking. they're ...

Classified. very confusing. >> neil: you know what is great about lawyers, you're brilliant, you particularly. all i know is it doesn't make sense to me. but nothing makes sense to me, on the whole dossier, not knowing its origins. i guess possible. comey struck me in this particular exchange, he has decent enough fellow, who am i to judge, clearly intent will, not a fan of the president. so maybe he believed that the leak thing, maybe i could take him at face value he did not know thor on-in of that. but it just stretches credulity. >> it does. i was saying off camera, i don't think this publ...

Of comey? does that mean anything to you? >> in an odd way, the comey era is almost old news. we have a new investigation now. mueller is looking at everything. there's no reason to believe that the president is excluded from this broad examination. >> the idea that it was leaked, does that matter to you, does that change your perception of whether or not mueller would be looking at the circumstances surrounding comey's firing, or do you theys think that's a mat fact? >> the leaks are disturbing, nobody on the law enforcement side likes them either. what we have now is a serious investigation ...

An unending flourish of these stories, every one of them sourced by casper the unfriendly ghost. not one of them is a name, none of them are anybody other than "official within the administration." "intelligence committee source." there is nobody that stood up and said here's what i have committed serious, you can quote me on that. it's unfounded and rumors and nonsense just to derail and distract from president trump's agenda. >> martha: that doesn't keep democrats from suggesting that his security clearances should be revoked because they want to ask him questions. >> i think we have to find...