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>> tucker: i get it, but this is not true. richard, this isn't actually about donald trump and i don't want to blow your mind by saying that it not everything in america is about donald trump. it's possible to take the players out of it and ask principal questions about what our government ought to be doing in our name. the context leaves one thing crystal clear which is, lisa page and peter strzok were part of a leaking strategy, a leaking information about what they were purveyed to from the press. it's a really simple question, and it's okay -- i know you don't like trump but it's okay to s...

Trump. i get it. but this is not true. >> tucker: richard, this is not aboutt donald trump. i don't want to blow your mind by saying that it not everything in america is about donald trump. it's possible to take the players out of it and ask principled questions about what our government ought to be doing in our name. the context leaves one thing crystal clear which is, lisa page and peter strzok were partl of a media leaking strategy, a leaking information about what they were privy to from the press. my question is -- it's a really simple question. are you comfortable with it? and it's okay ...

Sessions to go after full ammo. what do you make of that? >> it's ridiculous, chris. you know, this president has had his eye off the ball now basically from day one. the things that really matter to the american people, he's not interested in addressing frankly. he's more interested in carrying out personal vendettas, finding out who's leaking information, and going after people that are trying to do the right thing by this country and tell the truth. and his priorities are in all of the wrong places, and ultimately if he survives until 2020, i think that the american people are going to send...

And if i was in his shoes, i probably wouldn't want to do that either in light of the facts and the evidence. >> now, he's talking about how there's no collusion, no nothing like that. that takes us in a segue to what we saw with papadopoulos today. he lied about a meeting. you could argue that is evidence of collusion, or at least an intent to try to collude. but that's not what the president thinks that should be investigated for reasons of potential treason and national security. not russian interference. who wrote the op-ed? that's what he wants jeff sessions to go after full ammo. what do...

His answer was sealed because the judge said it would reveal substantive evidence pertaining to an ongoing government investigation. so does this mean gates is cooperating with mueller on possible collusion as well? >> well, that certainly would be one inference that could be drawn from that information. but you know something, mueller has been so closed-mouthed about everything, i have to admire him as a prosecutor. you know, prosecutors a lot of them love to get their picture on television and their leaking information constantly. mueller hasn't said a word. and so we can only speculate. and...