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Explained in particularly in the passage you read why manafort is relevant to the investigation of russian involvement in the 2016 election. so this case is moving to trial. and the question now becomes even more significant about whether manafort will plead guilty and cooperate before that trial takes place. >> good point there. a win today at least for the special counsel robert mueller. kaitlin, you had some excellent new reporting on what is going on in the west wing of the white house. they are so worried about leaks, they are taking dramatic new steps. >> that is right. and there framing...

Times because they want to rebrand this episode as a leak matter. >> they're fundamentally misreading the problem. the outrage is not that there was a leak. that may be of an operational concern to them and that's their prerogative to deal with it. but the fundamental outrage is that a member of the white house staff dissed a senator dealing with a terminal cancer diagnosis who is an american hero of his own party. the reason they haven't apologized the benediction of the president in private. that's the outrage. the leaking problem is a separate operational issue to flip that script speaks to...

It is in the room, apple iphone or samsung galaxy, whatever. that is how they're trying to find people who have their personal phones throughout west wing because they think it is going to be a way to tamp down on the leaks. but, of course, as is evidence by kelly sadler's remark, the stopping the use of personal cell phones in the west wing is not stopping staffers from telling reporters what is going on behind closed doors. now, this has been a source of great frustration lately here in the white house. of course, the president tweeting yesterday he believes leakers are traitors and kellyann...

Really being open minded, so i don't think i'm going to go to the grand jury, or i'm not going to sit for this interview. they don't get to sort of make those grandiose decisions in that way. i understand he's the president. this is different, and there should be a respect for the office, which i think is being honored here. but on the other hand, he's taking power that he has solely because of that office and using it in a way to try to mess up, if you will -- i mean i won't even use the word obstruction. let's just say mess up or kind of mess with the investigation, and that is a real, i thi...

Most americans under investigation don't get to say, you know what? i don't think my prosecutor is really being open minded, so i don't think i'm going to go to the grand jury, or i'm not going to sit for this interview. they don't get to sort of make those grandiose decisions in that way. i understand he's the president. this is different, and there should be a respect for the office, which i think is being honored here. but on the other hand, he's taking power that he has solely because of that office and using it in a way to try to mess up, if you will -- i mean i won't even use the word ob...