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between trump and the campaign people. this story is barak obama and the democratic party attempting to saboitage the trump presidency and force him to be impeached or resign. >> joining us from austin, texas is karl rove are. senior advisor to president p george bush. it is leakers leaking stuff to the press or a theory where forme president obama is holed up somewhere and orchestraing a counter espionnage campaign and laying land mines throughout the administration and trying to derail president trump. how dew see it? >> i think there is a media

This story is not about illegal talks between trump and the campaign people. this story is barack obama and the democratic party attempting to sabotage the trump presidency and force him to be impeached or resign. >> joining us from austin, texas, karl rove. former senior advisor to president george bush. it is leakers leaking stuff to the press orrm you have this theory where former president obama is holed up somewhere and orchestrating this devious counterespionage campaign and laying landmines throughout the administration trying to derail president trump. how do you see it? >> look, i thi...

About, were from previous times. he didn't stand there today and do that. >> he denied -- >> he denied he dissed them in the past. >> he clearly doesn't think that -- >> calling them nazis. >> wait, wait, wait. there is a problem. we talked about this before. there is a problem in the intelligence community isn't just the intelligence community, the washington bureaucracy of leaking things. >> problem in the trump administration of leaking stuff. they all leak. they all leak. >> this isn't the intelligence community. the specific leak he was talking about, that got them all so fired up. >> you...

Person who may or may not be working in order to help russia, but who is leaking stuff, you wouldn't think that would be an association donald trump would want. on the other hand, are those voters really thinking about leaking documents. and the calculation is going to be -- maybe one of the calculations for trump may be for those voters that really important base for him, are they so disenfranchised with the u.s. establishment because of iraq intelligence, because of what have you, that they don't mind? >> right. mike rogers, final thought, you've spoken to a lot of presidents in difficult ci...

Use at all levels of the white house staff. all i'm saying is some of the stories you can't do without some cooperation from the white house. >> did i talk to a lot of people in the administration? of course. how do you report a book about that without talking to people who were involved in the room >> dana: are we saying the same thing? >> bob: no. how he is the head of any intelligence operation is beyond me. >> dana: would you say that about dianne feinstein? >> bob: i would not. i would not say that. peter king is notorious of leaking stuff on the ira. he has been the worst single leaker o...