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Anyway. you're going to have a situation whether it's 10 or 20 where you have more people debating than watching. >> let's talk about the southern republican leadership conference that just wrapped over the weekend, leanne ben carson won the straw poll at that gathering. how seriously should we all be taking mr. carson right now? >> ben carson's path to the nomination is through straw poll, we're learning. he put in a lot of time a lot of resources, he busted he brought his people in to make sure that he'd win. it looks like this is a strategy right now, especially early on. what this does is ...

No front runner and the biggest field in gop history, making the debate team is the summer's real prize. kelly o'donnell, nbc news washington. >> thanks to kelly o'donnell there. let's bring in political reporter leanne caldwell bob franken. leanne you first, come debate time, how's it going to look that carly fiorina, how's it going to look if she's not on the stage? >> yeah it's not going to look very good for the republican party. people like carly fiorina, there's rick santorum who won the iowa caucuses in 2012 are at risk of not being on the stage. it's problematic. if they do it based on...