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Where we led the nation in terms of learning gains because we had -- we ended social promotion. we had the most dynamic school choice programs in the country. >> immigration is another potential sticky issue for you in the gop base. >> that's what i heard. >> and you told our own shannon a long time ago it's not a felony but an act of love and said -- but lots of crimes are committed out of love. that's my question to you. it doesn't stop their prosecution so what is it about illegal immigration? >> i think illegal managers ought to be punished by coming out from the shadows, earning legal sta...

Where we led the nation in terms of learning gains because we had -- we ended social promotion. we had the most dynamic school choice programs in the country. >> immigration is another potential sticky issue for you in the gop base. >> that's what i heard. >> and you told our own shannon a long time ago it's not a felony but an act of love and said -- but lots of crimes are committed out of love. that's my question to you. it doesn't stop their prosecution so what is it about illegal immigration? >> i think illegal managers ought to be punished by coming out from the shadows, earning legal sta...

We get what we have today which is a third of kids being college or career ready and we spend more per student than any other country in the world other than a two or three. i'll show you the record in florida where we led the nation in terms of learning gains. we ended social promotion and had dynamic school choice programs. when people see the florida record and see the learning gains that have taken place where we were at the bottom in graduation rate and moved up. >> reporter: you hear that he's unapologetic about his support for these common core education standards. if you're not really ...

My testing question. >> i want to respond to that. basically, what we're talking about is it's not the case that all school districts know who the grossly ineffective teachers are, at least in california, because you only have 16 months under that statute to try to make a decision about whether or not somebody can achieve learning gains. that's highly problematic. as the court found, it basically results in a quality-blind determination that by default, has grossly ineffective teachers in classrooms and disparately in black and brown and low income communities. >> i'm just asking, i just reall...

But it was a lot of fun. >> sounds like a great time. >> you started talking about education reform back in 1994, you continued it for a long time. i'm sure you were doing it before your first campaign. and education nation comes every year and we talk about it. a lot of times we're talking about this thing. are we making progress? the only measurement that matters is student learning. some places are, some aren't. >> who is doing it right? >> indiana, louisiana, florida, delaware, i'm not sure why but delaware has had significant learning gains. these are places where new york city has done o...