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That's the type of people i like to be around. he's not going to bull [ bleep ] or lie to you. me and him have been pretty cool since day one. >> you don't care about that tattoo on the inside of his left arm? i mean, i make jokes about it myself. i'm not going to lie. no, i mean, it really doesn't bother me. like he said -- >> it is what it is. >> he's a straight up guy. he says he doesn't believe in interracial relationships. he's open about it. >> i've never gotten close to a black dude. for him, he's not like a normal black guy that you'll meet. he's really smart. so, i mean, it's a learni...

The -- >> i think he doesn't understand all the things about the job. i went to see him and talk to him about health care. i talked to him about my trip to munich on national security. i told him that time that john mccain asked me to go over there. they didn't want to see his secretary of defense. they wanted to see him and he said yeah, i've been reading about that. i guess that's true. so there's a learning process for anybody. there was a learning process for me to become governor. what i'm hoping is he will become a unifier, will more understand the graphvity of thi job, stop the tweeting...

In surveillance. two great pieces in buzzfeed, inside donald trump's surveillance operations and sources donald trump listened in on phone lines at mar-a-lago. although that said, i think the imprudence here is pretty clear. let me ask you this. there's also a degree to which the white house seems to be having a hard time getting their story straight in a fundamental way. what do you make of that? >> well, it seems they have a president who is out of control, who moves at his own strokes. he doesn't brief his staff on what he's going to do, doesn't talk it through with them and do any kind of ...

But the learning process is just one eruption and more chaos every week and chasing down lies. it's really quite striking. >> earlier today, sean spicer said that the president is very clear. he believes the notion there's collusion is a hoax. it's been reaffirmed by several people including senator grassley. later in the day senator glassry's spokesperson says he has not spoken to president trump but what he's learned related to investigations into interference referred to the notion of collusion as a hoax. so every time they sort of try to cite some authority outside of their sphere, it gets...

Yesterday. >> and we're going to take time to get it right. those are pretty telling language from republicans in the senate. >> jeff, you've been watching president trump go through a learning process through the different attempts to get this passed. at least in the house. what has it been like watching that and what is your expectation about what he'll do now as senate will be considering? >> i think based on what white house officials are telling us, he's engaged and i think he learned from the first couple times about what -- why they went wrong, why it didn't happen and is trying to avoi...