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>> brian, i know you want to get some more tv time. that's not what this is about. >> i want you to answer the question, sarah. honestly, answer the question, it's a serious question. these people have nothing. they come to the border with nothing, and you -- you're a parent. you're a parent of young children. don't you have any empathy for what they go through? >> jill, go ahead. >> i understood your point, but why did you bring up kids? you don't want to make it personal. go on. >> she did it. she's brought her children into the argument on a number of occasions. in fact, last night tweeted ...

Down a cds report, which she didn't put down. she didn't deny she was leave bug she deflected. she opened that door, and the point of it is when she comes out and says that she is a parent and she cares and she's caring, she opens the door for that question. you're right. it's not a question that would come otherwise. but in this particular white house, i really want to know where the moral center is for the government that we elected to run this country. >> okay. >> and, don, to be honest with you, i've spent time down in these situations in these places. i remember walking through a village ...

Maliki at this point that could prevent him from becoming what you are making the argument that he's becoming, which is sort of a low-grade strong man. >> no, there isn't. one of the things that's a big concern is there is no interior minister. there is no defense minister controlling the army. there is no national security officer. maliki right now is all of those things. so the kind of jobs that might create someone who would have the public standing to run against him, he's running it all. >> you are painting a pretty bleak picture. obviously 17,000 u.s. citizens that are going to be in ira...