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>> nia, i think there's a part of this that bugs me a bit which is sort of the staging of it. if you want to make friends with somebody, you have to say let's meet for a drink after work or however it's done. i don't do this anymore. let's meet and have a hamburger somewhere. do you stage it with such pretense, such ruffles and flourishes? it reminds me of the henry gates beer time. it was so choreographed you wonder how they can speak without being ratted out. don't they want to talk off the record? it seems to me they would. >> that's true. and the white house is the sort of background, off ...

Flourishes? it reminds me of the henry gates beer time. it was so choreographed you wonder how they can speak without being ratted out. don't they want to talk off the record? it seems to me they would. >> that's true. and the white house is the sort of background, off the record conversations the president has been having with people behind the scenes. not necessarily of the press getting readouts of the meetings. this is much more formal and close to what he did in the first months of his presidency. this isn't something the president has been good at. let's just face it. he isn't good at it...

>> that's true. and the white house is the sort of background, off the record conversations the president has been having with people behind the scenes. not necessarily of the press getting readouts of the meetings. this is much more formal and close to what he did in the first months of his presidency. this isn't something the president has been good at. let's just face it. he isn't good at it in terms of reaching out to members of his own party let alone to republicans. i think this group, it's significant he left graham take the lead on this. and he has taken people that i think represent t...