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His own lawyers. that's why he is in the mess he is in today. >> shannon: to be fair, the administration has said they spent weeks putting this together in some cases they've spent months with the state department, with dhs and others and doj. so they -- they have said they did work on it. i know you both think the roll-out didn't go well but they put in the leg work there before they rolled this thing out. >> they did. rudy giuliani said this is the way we tried to make sure we did it legally. we realize a muslim ban wouldn't pass muster. they focused on the seven countries that obama focused...

Officials, some of whom will stay on in the trump administration, but they want to make sure this matter is investigated and that's a big piece. >> jim ask you the same question. when they asked comey about this, similar questions about hacking and who was being investigated for what, he said i'm not making a commitment, can't confirm or deny. which seemed ironic to some of the people questioning him. why didn't it come out before the election? >> first of all, the u.s. intelligence community had to do leg work. haven't confirmed the claims in the allegation. what has changed since then is the...

There are fines, by the way, for electors that do that in some states. while i'm not -- while i think it's important to get to the right result, i think there are a lot of folks including perhaps secretary clinton herself that want to be able to move on and say okay, how do we at least do the work we need to do on the ground with the democratic party going forward to look at 2018. >> interesting, sounds like he's struggling to say i don't think there should be a recount, i don't think they should bother with it but i don't like the way it turned out. what do you make of what dr. stein is doing...

We have not yet talked to these women. the times has done the leg work of talking to other people that these women told these stories to. we have not confirmed these reports directly with these women themselves. i will tell you just for my show, for my part we have reached out to these women who have named themselves in these articles, we have not been successful in arranging some sort of interview, that's what i can tell you in terms of how we have chased down this story ourselves, that's the "new york times" side of it. shortly after this "new york times" mosted this. the palm beach post is ...

The other thing i want to tell you is that nbc news, and msnbc we have not yet talked to these women. the times has done the leg work of talking to other people that these women told these stories to. we have not confirmed these reports directly with these women themselves. i will tell you just for my show, for my part we have reached out to these women who have named themselves in these articles, we have not been successful in arranging some sort of interview, that's what i can tell you in terms of how we have chased down this story ourselves, that's the "new york times" side of it. shortly a...