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Was about politics. and i think that that is probably true. that this seems to be more about politics than the science. but the administration is saying, the white house is saying, it's their prerogative to come up with the rules on this kind of thing. and the judge, pardon the legal term, should butt out. >> the president is reportedly asking some liberal lawmakers not to push too hard in a propose immigration bill. what's the calculation there? >> what's going on here is president obama is looking for some legacy material. and he's hanging his hat, now, on immigration because obviously gun c...

>> exactly. >> nobody does. >> the other thing is the campaign committees are worried about congressional candidates in red states. in other words, somebody like mitch mcconnell may be vulnerable in kentucky. why saddle -- but the fact is i think the president feels he's pushing a little bit on an open door here. >> yeah. >> and it is legacy material. he won re-election on -- one of only eight presidents to win two terms by 51% of the popular vote. what does he use that mandate for? also -- >> that's your question. when are you going to do what you got there to do? stop worrying about getting ...

Ceiling crisis and so forth. this is a cultural matter that he can deal with that is legacy material, that isn't about the budget. >> most things we have to argue about and fight about are zero. this program gets cut off funding, some soldiers don't get much money. in this case who gets punished if you have gun safety? >> exactly. >> nobody does. >> the other thing is the campaign committees are worried about congressional candidates in red states. in other words, somebody like mitch mcconnell may be vulnerable in kentucky. why saddle -- but the fact is i think the president feels he's pushing...

Why saddle -- but the fact is i think the president feels he's pushing a little bit on an open door here. >> yeah. >> and it is legacy material. he won re-election on one of only eight presidents to win two terms by 51% of the popular vote. what does he use that mandate for? also -- >> that's your question. when are you going to do what you got there to do? stop worry being getting there again. >> the presidents don't always just follow public opinion, they have to shape public opinion. >> can i ask you -- okay. i'm a suburbanite city mouse. i generally have lived in suburban areaings, but i d...