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That's part of the legacy is he trying to build, bill. i think it's very important for him to look at spending at part of this package. but let me just tell you, i don't care he is an idealogue. i don't think he is any far left winger as you apparently do. i think? this guy is a brag pragmatist. he has won two majorities of the american people and you don't do that if you are far left or far right in this country. >> bill: i don't know. we have a changing electorate as we pointed out. i'm not so sure about that mary katharine, do you think that the president, a, number one an idealogue and num...

He trying to build, bill. i think it's very important for him to look at spending at part of this package. but let me just tell you, i don't care he is an idealogue. i don't think he is any far left winger as you apparently do. i think? this guy is a brag pragmatist. he has won two majorities of the american people and you don't do that if you are far left or far right in this country. >> bill: i don't know. we have a changing electorate as we pointed out. i'm not so sure about that mary katharine, do you think that the president, a, number one an idealogue and number two will go in for more t...

That's part of the legacy is he trying to build, bill. i think it's very important for him to look at spending at part of this package. but let me just tell you, i don't care he is an idealogue. i don't think he is any far left winger as you apparently do. i think? this guy is a brag pragmatist. he has won two majorities of the american people and you don't do that if you are far left or far right in this country. >> bill: i don't know. we have a changing electorate as we pointed out. i'm not so sure about that mary katharine, do you think that the president, a, number one an idealogue and num...