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>> well the first is to actually make sure that this doesn't happen, because in the end, this comes from a corrosive business model that we didn't even have a name for in 2019. surveillance capitalism. and in order to fix this, in the long term, it's education. in the medium term, it's legislation ed. we need protection because essentially, what this is doing, it's manipulating our emotions in order to change our world views. thinking fast first in order to change how you act in the real world. and then nobel after, i called it a behavioral modification system and we are pavlov dogs. this is b...

President trump, president former president -- to tech a, in the philippines, that encourage this type of speech, it gives them a greater megaphone. >> but when we talk about holding the line against fascism with free speech comes this awful space that is being amplified, in hyper speed, on social media. so -- so what do you do with that? >> well the first is to actually make sure that this doesn't happen, because in the end, this comes from a corrosive business model that we didn't even have a name for in 2019. surveillance capitalism. and in order to fix this, in the long term, it's educatio...