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Anything can happen. so if you could get a few of the more moderate or centrist republicans. i count at least five, romney, susan collins, lisa murcowski, lemarch alexander who is quitting and cory gardner, if you could get four of those to go over, then the democrats have the majority and they can call witnesses. it is up for grabs unless the two leaders, schumer and mcconnell, make a deal. the question of witnesses or no witnesses is a big deal and will be the big issue as we head into the senate. >> you have to hold onto the democrats. the joe manchin, the doug jones from alabama. that is a...

Months. everyone tells me kelly is by the book, get it done and get it done now. very methodical, step-by-step by step. that's what you need. whether he can be successful in this environment we shall see. the big disconnect after the swearing in is with congress. a different idea where they want to go. they're done with healthcare and let patty murray and lemarch alexander put together a repair bill when trump tweets he is wanting it to collapse. that's a huge difference. >> bill: just quickly. want our audience to hear what mick mulvaney said about pushing the republicans in congress to get h...

Today's news. this is a huge plus for republicans and the president. >> you talk to people at the white house using a football analogy. some people think we're on the 3-yard line. the president will talk tax reform with senators in the roosevelt room today. corey gardner and lemarch alexander bringing over people that want to talk about the president. tax reform will not be the main driver of the agenda today but it will definitely be in the discussion. the white house is hoping to limit the scale and scope of the upcoming conference that you mentioned which would reconcile the house and senat...

How bad will things get and who will take the blame when they get worse? >> jon: and the only way i guess that voters can express that is at the ballot box. we talk about november 2018, right? >> right. a cautionary footnote. there are people in congress from both parties. moderate senators from both parties led by lemarch alexander talking about steps to fix the insurance market in a bipartisan way to fix the problem, not simply let it get worse. that could take on a life of its own now. not clear whether president trump is interested in that or not but that may happen whether he leads that c...