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Great to see both of you. that motto "in god we trust" really seems to send you over the edge and i want to kind of figure it out, understanding why you think it's the establishment of religion in the united states. go ahead. >> well, i didn't say that it is the establishment of religion, but it is certainly the endorsement and the advancement of religion by our government. so it should send everybody over the edge if they value the u.s. constitution. and i do. >> which part of it? >> it's very important to me. >> which part do you feel this violates? >> so the first amendment establishment cl...

Secular purpose, a government action. this was paid for by private money. this is private money paid for this. and my question to you is how does this expressively entangle the government in religion, which is one of the prongs of the test. >> right. laura, so the entanglement part does not have to be part of it. there are three parts of the lemon test. and so it has to -- an action by the government has to pass each one of those three. >> okay. so in god we trust on the coins, is that also -- we have to all redo all the coinage in this country as well? >> absolutely. that's also unconstitutio...

You are. great, great. so then that's why i would think that you would also be upset about the endorsement and advancement of religion by our government, which is absolutely unconstitutional because the motto "in god we trust" is about religion. there is no secular purpose. >> what religion does it endorse? >> so absolutely christianity. and i am happy to explain why it's definitely christianity. >> let me just go through for our viewers which don't understand the lemon test, here are the three things the court just made up. they made this up and said, okay, this is our test. the issue, the go...

Of law, judges have to mediate to competing and important values that our society holds dear. the court has struggled and in establishment clause jurisprudence to provide a consistent and comprehensive te. i think that is a fair statemen statement. the current dominant test is called the lemon test, and it asks whether the intent is to establish a religion, promote a religion, whether the effect is to help advance religion, and whether there is too much entanglement between state and religion. it has approved of difficult test according to six justices at least have expressed dissatisfaction w...

Areas of law, judges have to mediate two competing and important values that our society holds dear. the court has struggled in establishment clause juris prudence to provide a consistent and comprehensive test. i think that's a fair statement. the current dominant test is called a lemon test, and it asks whether the intent is to establish religion, promote a religion, whether entanglement between state and religion. it's proved a difficult test according to six justices at least and have -- never at the