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Stay focused on it. and your stories every night are helping us. molly, you know i'm going back, but you are going to be here for a while. we are going to make sure that those stories that you bring us every night make it on to our tv sets and our viewers can see them. molly, thanks again, we'll talk to you later. nbc's molly hunter, in kyiv, she is on the capital of ukraine. joining me now is the retired military colonel alexander vindman. he's charge of european affairs for the security council, and author of the important book here, right matters, an american story. colonel vindman, i want ...

Russia. russia is a country of 140 million people, has but and less military material. a lot of it is old, antiquated soviet era equipment but they have depots as far as the eye can see. and along, or a grinding war, it's something that definitely favors the larger state habitually. in this, case you have a lot of support coming in from the west. but it can't be this incremental trickle, it has to be the lend lease program that we are talking about. frankly, we could see a much shorter war. this is a war that has been going on for years, but we could see a much shorter war unfold over the next...

Bombed out civilian areas. while the crukrainians have bee inspired and brave and courageous, they are being pummelled. in the last segment, lieutenant colonel vinman was talk about the potential for a lend lease program. finding other ways to upgrade the ukrainian military with more intense weaponry to take on these russians. what are your thoughts on that. >> i think in this conflict, we ought to be pushing as much possible into ukraine with any luck. even if the cities fall and that's not a sure thing right now. there's going to be significant partisan warfare that's going to be going again...

All-out program to insulate us from oil and gas. i was just writing about the fact that the, you know, the defense production act would allow president biden to order up millions and millions of air source heat pumps, the kind of reversible air conditioners that are the new efficient way to heat your home and then send them off to europe, the way we did with the lend lease program before the second world war. by the time november rolls around next year, we could have cut out 10, 15, 20% of their demand for gas which is precisely about how much putin supplies. so -- >> well, let me jump in. you...

He didn't just put ukraine on notice. he put all of eastern europe on notice. it was probably the most dangerous speech i heard from world leader infer decades. so, you know, i would say we shouldn't play word games. i'm with evelyn. i really think that this is a moment that requires action. fortunately, the biden administration, the governments of europe, have stepped it up with serious sanctions. they've got other sanctions on hold. they're talking about training and supporting the ukrainians during the press conference with secretary blinken. they talked about a lend lease program with ukra...