Years. welfare use does not go down over time. >> laura: are you talking about welfare, social security, medicare? >> all programs. medicaid, food stamps, public housing. if we look at all that, 51% of immigrant households will bend in the united states for 20 years access those programs. it's 30% for the native-born. it's a problem. not just for for a new lender s him and that's been getting worse. it's a problem overall, including for the well-established. >> laura: raul, last word. >> going back to your point about the facts. u.s. department of agriculture which administers the food stamp p...