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And this leads to paralysis, stagnation and no action. so maybe the republicans want no action at all. and they want less government, so i'd say, how about less center for disease control, less nih, let's go through the list of things. >> remember that congressman, he's an old school guy jimmy berk. he voted for every spending bill and against every tax increase. somebody said, why do you do that? he said, why shouldn't i? they're now filled with jimmy berks. they don't vote for anything and they vote against all taxes. deficits of $1.6 trillion. we have a debt facing us of $13 trillion becaus...

Action, those on the right may not want any action. here's the irany involved. here you have conservatives on the right saying they want less government, less taxes, but more service. and this is something that the american public has to understand. they can't keep beating up on government and yet want the same level of service or more for lower taxes. so something has to give. either you're going to have higher taxes, or you're going to have less government, or something in between. that something in between has to be part of the solution. we know what the solution is to dealing with the inso...