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Until you say, i want -- >> you know, what's scary about their line -- and i go back to bhau said about waywhat you sai la piere, the idea these people have second amendment is to give the people the right to protect them from an overleaning federal government that is trying to invade their homes, which is why the second amendment was passed let members participate in militia because they were afraid of the government coming in. i'm going to ask you this. i remember a few years ago there was a time we did a cover story on the nra. if was reading it, didn't edit it. they actually don't give a l...

About that? >> not quite sure about the people taken off the flights but he did have a recent trip to pack, he -- in pakistan, he came back in february. it's a hot bed for terrorism, you have al-qaeda, taliban, let, the mom buy attacks were the responsibility of let members. juliet: he has family there? >> has family in southern karachi. there's a lot of training catches in southern pakistan. the question is when did he become radicalized, is this an individual who was radicalized, came to the country, was kind of like a sleeper cell, maybe a lone wolf, though i doubt that, i think there are o...