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>> talk about gun laws and statistics. >> i'm with you. i'm for statistics. here's what's actually true. this is not a debate about concealed carry. you want to move the argument over to something that nobody's arguing about. nobody's arguing about concealed carry. people are arguing about military style weapons on the streets of america and whether or not that is a good thing or bad thing. >> that's a false premise. that's a false premise. >> no. it's a false premise? that's the entire debate in washington, d.c. right now. >> i'm tired of this talking point being put out there. first and fore...

With a spoon -- >> piers, you can take a speed loader and reload a revolver, 150 rounds. that means he had to reload four times. the only reason he stopped was because he heard authorities. van, this is the strategy of the people who deliberately want to disarm individuals. you guys talk about magazine -- >> hold on a second. hold on a second. >> let van have his say. >> this is the conscious strategy on the part of the pro-gun folks, to constantly bring things back around to things that don't make any sense. you're talking about people stabbing people with spoons. if that was a problem we had...