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For republicans except for getting in the room with the president and trying to hammer something out, because the president of the united states of america has at some point has to be the lead negotiator. that's why he's president of the united states of america. he doesn't have the luxury of doing what other congressional leaders are doing, which is throwing huge insults, calling people terrorists, acting like they have bombs strapped to their chests, as even the white house is saying. he's got to get these people in a room for an extended period of time. i'm surprised we're not at camp david...

>> i'm tired of this talking point being put out there. first and foremost, let's get something straight. military style assault weapons are not out on the street. we are talking about semiautomatic weapons, weapons that are capable of select fire -- >> dana, dana -- >> no, i'm not going to let this go anymore, piers. >> you're just -- >> stop conflating. >> general stanley mcchrystal, general stanley mcchrystal used the phrase, forget us, forget van, forget me. one of the great military commanders of the last 20 years in america says these were military style weapons. so is he wrong? do you k...

Times. the only reason he stopped was because he heard authorities. van, this is the strategy of the people who deliberately want to disarm individuals. you guys talk about magazine -- >> hold on a second. hold on a second. >> let van have his say. >> this is the conscious strategy on the part of the pro-gun folks, to constantly bring things back around to things that don't make any sense. you're talking about people stabbing people with spoons. if that was a problem we had in america, people stabbing people with spoons, we wouldn't be talking about this right now. what we're talking about is ...

Now -- [ speaking simultaneously ] >> the curse of hamm was used to say we are the victims -- >> are you trying to get old testament? remember, the new covenant with christ, the new covenant with god, that's why we have the new testament. >> dana, dana, dana, dana -- [ speaking simultaneously ] >> dana, dana, dana, what do you say to van's point that it wasn't so long ago he wouldn't have been able to get married without the help of the government interfering? isn't that an incredibly salient point? >> you know what, republicans all throughout, piers, i agree with that because republicans, tha...

Qualify as an assault weapon? >> by the technical definition, no, piers. anything can be qualified as an assault weapon if you stab someone with a spoon, it can be qualified as an assault weapon. >> you're equating stabbing somebody with a spoon to shooting dead 26 people in less than five minutes? really, dana? really? talk about stabbing somebody with a spoon -- >> piers, you can take a speed loader and reload a revolver, 150 rounds. that means he had to reload four times. the only reason he stopped was because he heard authorities. van, this is the strategy of the people who deliberately wa...