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Argument, rather than look where the statistics naturally lead you. i think, you know, obviously senator warren has done a lot of work with data in the past. i'm not as familiar with some of those earlier books that she's written, but i'm certainly -- you know, i'm open to the idea that we need to re-examine how we cast these problems in our society based on data. >> yeah. just to clarify, i am not running for president, although krystal and i might form a bipartisan ticket one day. who knows? let's talk about a woman you know a thing or two about, hillary clinton. you recently made the point ...

Through a state referendum if they want to. the court ruled that michigan voters were simply exercising their privilege to enact laws themselves when they passed a 2006 proposition against affirmative action. the decision was 6-2 with democratic appointee steven briar joining the conservative block of -- it doesn't change the status quo on affirmative action. it certainly strengthens the hand of conservatives who want to take the case against affirmative action directly to the voters. let's spin. >> i obviously am a big supporter of affirmative action in two ways. i think it is good for people...