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A little unethical and then you con since yourself after you've moved the line that you can make another move that's a little more unethical. >> do you think he's on the wrong side of the line now? >> i would like to wait and see everything that comes out. certainly what i've seen horrifies me. but i think we're going to see a lot more. >> let me bring in robert back in. you've been patiently a part of this, but listening to the interesting analysis, including the lawyerly statement that she would like to wait for all the evidence, but she's also horrified by the available evidence. walk us th...

Violence. rudy giuliani was having lunch with him. what did he know, when did he know it? was he involved in bribery? campaign violations? what else was he doing that on interfeerning with policy he has no right to stick his nose into. >> done, i'm going to go to you on this. you look at rudy giuliani. he's not a registered lobbyist. it seems so apparent to me that this influence industry has involved him that seems like lobbying to me. what does it tell you about where we are? >> let's be clear, rudy giuliani has engaged in lobbying. we don't know if it is covered

Yovanovitch, supposed to testify in a matter of hours. i have to say, i would be surprised if she does. the president even intimating earlier that, well, you know, we don't want too many people talking here. sam, what does that say to you? >> well, let's be clear, president trump has directly threatened ambassador yovanovitch. he has spoken publicly and said that things were going to happen to her. so, he's publicly bullied and harassed her, which is exactly what secretary pompeo accused congress of doing when the house first tried to get the depositions scheduled. with respect to what ambassa...

Territorial conflict there. isis has not been defeated completely but they did take away the territorial haven in syria. we didn't fight that. we attacked in the air of support of british forces on the ground. they died for our safety. and now we've abandoned them. >> shannon: are you worried about what that would stand the two potential groups we would fight against terrorism in the future? >> again, shannon, let's be clear. no one made a promise to the kurds that we were somehow going to stand between them and a nato ally, turkey. look, turkey was coming in to northern syria. turkey has been...

President trump speaking to the press for 23:24 with a consistent message, this is not about politics. it's about corruption and yet talking a lot about his main political opponent, joe biden. you heard in the ep, asked about else, he made a brief comment and a quick turn to joe biden. some of his toughest language yet about his son hunter biden, saying he is pillaging those countries, talking about the very countries that yesterday the president also stood on that lawn and called on to investigate, investigate joe biden, investigate hunter biden. we're talking about ukraine where, let's be cl...