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"hannity" to say his lack of political experience was the reason he didn't think it was wrong. >> this is the first time we've done any of this. i'm still way in the learning curve on all of this, so it wasn't that urgent to me if i was saying, hey, it can wait until the end of summer, but we want information. if there's information out there, you want it. >> reporter: the white house told cnn they warned that the combination of power and naivete was enough to get the trump family in trouble and it could worsen in the future. but some were inclined to trust family members more than his staff. ...

There would be some kind of information helpful to the campaign. it quickly became very apparent there was not. let me say something about who goes into these meetings in the trump campaign. we were a very small operation. i was not involved in june. i was involved in july. and became the campaign manager in august. it's very typical to have principals in the meeting. we had a fraction of the staff than clinton had over there. you're trying to have your viewers think because these three principals were in there, it was viewed with some type of seriousness that simply is not true. this was stan...

I have to contest what president trump has already saying, because for donald trump, who openly egged on the russians to hack hillary clinton's e-mails, and celebrated every release of these stolen documents to criticize obama, now is a bit like someone knowingly receiving stolen property blaming the police for not stopping the theft. donald trump is in no position to complain here. >> that may be true. let's focus on president obama for a minute. you say it was a mistake. how much were politics at play meaning fear that people would say that he's getting too involved in a way that would help ...

Forcefully about what the russians had done. i think that was a mistake but for donald trump who openly egged on the russians to hack hillary clinton's e-mails and celebrate every release of stolen documents to criticize obama is a bit like someone knowingly receiving stolen property blaming the police for not stopping the theft. donald trump is in no position to complain here. >> that may be true. let's focus on president obama for a moment. you say it was a mistake. how much were politics at play and should that have been a factor at all given the gravity of what you were seeing? >> it was a...

Election that no one won are indications there is some hangover with the leader? >> well, i think the republicans are attacking, they're worried, there will always business a villain that the republicans try to make. before fancy pelosi, it was harry reid, tom daschle. the clintons, obama him personally, i don't want the republicans picking our leadership and backing down would send to pe the wrong message. i think instead of running, it's time we stands up and fight and importantly instead of focusing on who the republicans want to make the villain, let's focus on what actually makes a differ...