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Refrain. we've heard it a lot lately. he likes to talk, he's not a shy guy, and neither is mike gallagher, fox news contributor. hi, mike, good to see you. >> hi, martha. how are you? martha: i'm fascinated because this is riling up a lot of folks who are getting a little bit concerned, it would appear, about the possibility of this. and, mike, let's listen to this from karl rove, and we'll jump right in and get your reaction to that. >> mr. trump, donald trump can run his campaign any way he wants. if he wants to run down george bush and ask for the republican nominee, i don't think that's a ...

Least force the conversation? >> not on social security, but on medicare, particularly with regard to containing health care costs. the president could have gone further than he did under his health care law and he could have continued that conversation, yes, indeed. >> david walker, how do you get the conversation out of this, it's literally a who goes first game. >> the president nor the leadership in congress is dealing with 85% of the problem. which is medicare, medicaid, social security on the debt, et cetera. what we need to do is have a civic education engagement program to educate the ...

We've got group philosophical arguments for many pieces of reform that we want to make in the system. let's focus on where the rifts are and apply higher standards to where the risks are. i'm not so keen on focusing who should do what, but focus on risk. fundamentals matter. try not to get too complex because in finance, when you get too complex, the inmates take over the asylum. >> do you worry about the next crisis? >> we will have a next crisis. we want to make sure we don't get a blowout the way we have this time. when we do, we want to make sure there's a more orderly and not a destabiliz...

Absolutely positively not. did he ask you that question? >> no, he didn't. he did say because he was open, if we felt we wanted to call and discuss any of the matters further, he would be delighted to talk with us about it, which i thought was a nice offer. he gets to the point. the president gets to a point. we have to objectively evaluate it. it's the only opportunity the american people have, very any real play in the process when they're elected representatives review the president's choice. it's a serious responsibility and i think it was a nice meeting today. >> as we wait for the choice...

Michael steele was and the exact opposite was proven. steele is on a big winning streak is what the rnc will tell you, new jersey, virginia, massachusetts, needy go on as the rnc points out. that's why you have folks like sarah palin, newt gingrich saying he should stay. >> newt ging rich was saying yesterday, let's focus on who we want to defeat not turn on ourselves. >> no time for a circular firing squad inside the republican party is what they are saying. they would much rather take advantage of this situation that the democrats are in right now. >> it's half past the hour. the treaty sign...