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Because we have so much natural gas it is unyou believable. but we also have a lot of oil, too. we have -- we are increasing our oil in the united states. and that is all because the i industry has done a fabulous job of developing techniques to recover both oil and gas. >> chris: let's focus on the natural gas which you are sa saying is cheaper and cleaner and we don't have to ship trillions of dollars to opec to our enemies. your idea is to convert this nation's 8 million heavy duty trucks, the 18 wheelers to natural gas. what does that mean for pollution? and what does that mean in terms of...

Because we have so much natural gas it is unyou believable. but we also have a lot of oil, too. we have -- we are increasing our oil in the united states. and that is all because the i industry has done a fabulous job of developing techniques to recover both oil and gas. >> chris: let's focus on the natural gas which you are sa saying is cheaper and cleaner and we don't have to ship trillions of dollars to opec to our enemies. your idea is to convert this nation's 8 million heavy duty trucks, the 18 wheelers to natural gas. what does that mean for pollution? and what does that mean in terms of...

We can't stick to the norm. we had a chairman on our board that said, let's do something different. they said, let's look at our data and figure out what's going on. that's when we realized 17% of our participants were spending 83% of our dollars. we knew we needed to use something then. what we're spending the most money on is health care. so we decided, let's focus on the group. let's get them the right care, get them identified and start spending money on them and hopefully focus on quality care. >> jim, when we talked to dr. brenne brenner, and i wrote a lot about this in the health care c...

Pakistan that seemed to feel that he was very safe. and as mr. donilon said, they've got a lot of questions to answer and the burden of proof is on them. >> mayor giuliani, you heard donilon say that it's pakistan that's going to investigate this and this is a big deal in pakistan. what are the ramifications for this as more becomes clear about what they knew and when? >> ramifications are huge because pakistan is a critical country, it's a country with nuclear weapons. if bin laden could have this kind of access to the government and get this kind of protection -- if that's the case -- we don...

You'll be able to fulfill? >> first, let's focus initially on where we're headed right now. first we're about 96,000 or so, down from 165,000 or so at the height of the surge and other periods. headed down to 50,000 by the end of august. then, of course, with the new government in place there will be the dialogue about what is it that the sovereign iraq with its newly elected government that will be in place for four years will want in terms of a security relationship with the united states. there's some sense that they may want to continue a security assistance relationship at the least, some...