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Electability argument in the clearest way to this point, don't be afraid. let's go big. she is running the long game and is bernie 2.0, standing right next to him. >> we did get a contrast there. it was stylistic in a lot of ways. >> sure. >> you saw how elizabeth warren is better a story teller, bringing in people she met. she's bringing in her own personal history in a way that perhaps makes those progressive goals a little more accessible to the average voter. i think we did see a little bit of a preview. this clash between them, as jeff pointed out, will come. it is inevitable if they both...

Who is going to have the best defense? we're watching all the shutdown talk just outside the white house. if these guys come out and say something, we'll obviously bring it to you. what's going to happen in this meeting? well, now as a staunch liberal, there better not be any deal-cutting going on that's going to bleed into social security, medicare or medicaid. let's start there. i'm all about the debt ceiling, but if this conversation could roll, let's go big. i remember president obama back a few summers ago saying you want to go big, i'll go big. this is not the time. and i believe recei...

People thing about nick -- that has a deep root in the american imagination, however, as bill keller argued today, the president should -- i think the op-said said bring backç ken starr, and should call them and say you want to clean house? let's do this, let's go big. >> as somebody who lived through that, i wouldn't recommend that to the president if i was advising him. look, i think the american public think thinks there may be something wrong here, and i think they'll maybe give the republicans some latitude to find out some facts and get to the truth, because people are skeptical and co...

He's not doing it, so therefore, his position isn't credible. we're having an extension of the bush tax cuts for everybody. i agree on the 2%, but we can't afford them for the other 98% either given the fact that half of the population, the poor and lower income don't pay income tax any way. so the progressive ought to be no more tax cuts. we can't afford them for anybody. we're going after that pentagon and we're going to cut back dramatically this huge defense establishment we don't need. neither party is doing that, so we have this silly debate going on of one fairy tale versus another. >> ...

His position isn't credible. we're having an extension of the bush tax cuts for everybody. i agree on the 2%, but we can't afford them for the other 98% either given the fact that half of the population, the poor and lower income don't pay income tax any way. so the progressive ought to be no more tax cuts. we can't afford them for anybody. we're going after that pentagon and we're going to cut back dramatically this huge defense establishment we don't need. neither party is doing that, so we have this silly debate going on of one fairy tale versus another. >> president obama said let's go big...