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Thought, well, if we kick this dispute into the new year, when she's speak her, maybe we could get some negotiation going. it's clear that's not going to happen. how would you advise the president to deal with her? >> i'd say continue to stay at the table. i think the point he made the other day, which is when she asked for reopening the government for 30 days, he asked a simple question, are you going to be willing to negotiate during that period, she firmly said no. so she may be closing off all those avenues of. it's many of her fed wal -- manr federal workers who are impacted. i don't thin...

Thought, well, if we kick this dispute into the new year, when she's speak her, maybe we could get some negotiation going. it's clear that's not going to happen. how would you advise the president to deal with her? >> i'd say continue to stay at the table. i think the point he made the other day, which is when she asked for reopening the government for 30 days, he asked a simple question, are you going to be willing to negotiate during that period, she firmly said no. so she may be closing off all those avenues of. it's many of her fed wal -- manr federal workers who are impacted. i don't thin...