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Army men who defected over to the revolutionaries -- revolutionaries themselves as they call themselves are young students from benghazi, engineering students, university medical students, there are storekeeper, army reservists who fought in chad back in the 1980s. there are agronomists, industrial engineers, people who worked in england and the united states and support them in a number of ways, it's a fairly representative collection so it seems of the citizenry of libya. it's a north african state which has been in the grip of moammar gadhafi and all his craziness for the past 42 years. >> ...

Last ten years have been -- we all know what's happened in the last ten years, but in libya it seems there is a small group of devout muslim men, some of whom fought in wars over the past decade in other countries but they do not have control of the movement and they seem to even welcome the american presence this time. they are very small in number. they are not particularly hostile and they are far outnumbered by the kind of people i described before. there are nuances and there are shades to conservative islam and i think we see -- we see them represented here but i don't think right now an...

Libya three, four months ago was a close ally of the united states, helping us fight al qaeda and radical jihadist elements. >> let me stop you there. it is one of these things that drives me nuts. i recall gadhafi being the butcher, and all of a sudden the u.n. almost unanimously decides he's not such a bad guy, let's make libya the head of the human rights commission at the u.n., that all of a sudden this year, no, he's a bad guy again, so bad that human rights, humanitarian issues will drive us in there with our military. i don't get this flip-flop back and forth. we don't pick good friends...