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Nuclear north korea the way you are? that's the question. >> part of the diplomacy here is for him to say he isn't. at the end of the day i do believe he is surrounded by people who are not ready to pull that trigger. >> go ahead. >> let's assume that north korea is deterrable, even though they did execute a terrorist strike on foreign soil using weapons of mass destruction within the last 12 months. let's assume. the risk then there is nuclear proliferation in asia. is that containable? is that a threat that we should just be ignoring and dismissing as something we have to live with? >> again...

The meaning of no. and so maybe one of the things we will do to get your attention is, let's nuclearize -- what do you fear most, china, a nuclear korea and nuclear japan? then we're going to tee that up. i do agree that the chinese are the key element here. but it is not clear to me how much influence they have anymore. what's the ideal solution? the ideal solution is regime change there that changes the leader but doesn't dissolve the whole country. that's what everyone is afraid of. and the people that have the best capability to do that are the chinese and kim jong-un figured that out. tha...