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Guy, he was such a tough guy that he was misleading initially about what he did with you. >> he lied until there were eyewitnesses, that it was not the actions of a tough cookie. a tough cookie doesn't attack someone out of nowhere with no provocation for asking a question about health care. the police asked me afterwards was there anything about the congressional budget office that set him off that would have caused him to lie about it. >> i find it amazing that the president is praising him as a tough cookie when this is a guy who assaulted you out of nowhere and then lies about it. it's jus...

Period. but we're talking politics here. political violence is always wrong. whether it comes from the right, whether it's neo-nazis in charlottesville or whether it's antifa in portland. political violence is always wrong. in america we should solve our political differences through words, that's tantamount. but if we're going to go down the road of taking the president this seriously even if he's being funny and clever, are we then supposed to say, for example, people on the left call the president a racist and his supporters, by the way. >> what people? >> every single day -- >> no, no. you...

Questions, so body slam them? >> i'm against any form of political violence. any form of unneeded violence, period. but we're talking politics here. political violence is always wrong. whether it comes from the right, whether it's neo-nazis in charlottesville or whether it's antifa from the left in portland. and in demonstrations in washington, d.c. political violence is always wrong. in america we should solve our political differences through words, that's tantamount. but if we're going to go down the road of taking the president this seriously, even if he's clearly being funny and clever, a...

Border or outside the u.s. border. my heart breaks, to imagine being stuck on a bridge for hour with my kid. other people look at that and say, we're scared of those people, we don't want them here. we are trying to sort out as a country, are we welcoming, are we empathetic, do we care about people, or are we going to say we're closed for business as america and we're scared of folks. i don't know how this is going to play in the midterms. >> paul, do you believe the democrats have somehow engineered this caravan of thousands, that it somehow plays well for democrats? >> clearly i think this i...

Today. having been through, you know, been through this for the past year and a half and how it's sort of -- the initial shock and then this, it's -- it's unfortunately what may be hopefully only in the short term. >> i appreciate your time, thank you, ben. i want to get perspective from kirstin powers, also former touch campaign adviser steve cortes. steve, is it appropriate under any circumstance for the president of the united states to praise anyone, much less a congressman, for assaulting a reporter and who also lied about it? >> right, anderson, no, listen, i don't like it, it's not what...