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That it does not constitute an intelligence activity within the purview of the director of national intelligence. by qualifying it that way, anderson, they may have opened the door inadvertently to characterizing this as potentially a much darker matter. so for instance, we don't know this, this is speculation. if the president and the dni made the conclusion that it was potentially criminal conduct, they could then argue that's not an intelligence matter and therefore not under the purview of the dni. now a scenario in which that might take place could be if, for instance, the president had a...

Biden. let's listen to a few of them make this jab. >> every single time we have tried to play it safe with the most established and, let's say, washington tenured figures, every single time we've come up short. >> people are scared, but we can't choose a candidate we don't believe in because we're scared. >> we can't make the mistake that says, oh, we got to play it safe. this election is just about finding somebody who can beat donald trump. >> joe, don't play it safe. how do you judge that message? >> well, if you're not the front-runner, it's a great message for you because you're not the ...

In an editorial piece today it manufacturers 1% of oklahoma's -- >> so only 1% and many of the other companies being sued have already settled. so johnson & johnson is the only one that has the temerity, if you will, to go to trial. and those lawyers that suggested going to trial i don't know if they still have their job with johnson & johnson, let's say. >> but their worry was $17 billion are and they paid half a billion. >> right. and johnson & johnson stock is actually up because of this because they were looking at they were going to have to go for more. the thing here even in this is that...

Clearly cut off by the concerns of normal people. completely cut off. how can you govern a country if you live in a place like this? doesn't it distort you? >> joel: i am a old democrat. i think that there were some great democratic mayors who helped turn around cities. so, it's not the politics. it's something that's happened. you look, let's say, at representative cortes' district. there is such low voter turnout. very small groups of people can actually win elections by being organized. what we have is that people are not engaging in politics. this is the sort of utilization that's going on...

How can you govern the country if you live in a place like this? doesn't it distort you? >> i met old-line democrat. i think their work -- there were some great democratic mayors who helped run around cities. bob lanier in houston being a prime example. it's not the politics, it's something that's happening. you even look at, let's say, and representative cortez's district. there is such low voter turnout, very small groups of militant people can actually win elections by being organized. she got about 16,000 votes in the primary in a district that had well over 300,000 democrats. so what we h...