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Events in syria. so the regional consequences are already upon us. but hundreds of people are dying. you have a dictator using chemical weapons. the president of the united states said this will not stand. he's painted himself into a corner. it's hard to see where he goes except into some sort of military operation. >> and michael, wrap this up for us. how closely does the president need to work with congress on this? >> well, i think as a practical matter, he does. i think as a legal matter, he probably does not in terms of what we're discussing. i think this is a hard sell with the american ...

He's going to have to cite a couple international conventions on using chemical weapons, which his lawyers are probably working on as we speak. i think he's going to get enough cover. the question is, can he sell it to the american people? does he have cover in this country? it's very unpopular. the messaging will have to be very careful. he will want to make it clear to americans that there's a reason why he's doing this and that no american lives will be put at risk. >> michael, when we look at that thursday versus sunday versus a couple of weeks from now, does the president benefit if he do...

Military strike. and if by definition it's not intended to topple assad, then is it really worth it? richard, as you can probably tell, i've got a lot of questions about this. i agree with bobby. he's got to sell it to the american people. i think at a minimum, the congress ought to come back in session and debate this issue. >> let's take michael's lead on that, p.j. as we look at a limited engagement, as he's questioning, is there a way to prevent getting boots on the ground? when does that action have a potential stoppage? >> well, i think the president has ruled out boots on the ground. in...