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Respect to the phone call transcript, the whistle-blower complaint, the betrayal of the kurds -- this is real. and so they're trying to distract. let's talk about process. let's talk about other things. but the real issue is they're in some very real trouble. >> okay. charlie, let me ask you this then. >> yeah. >> honestly, then why would anyone in their right mind repeat this conspiracy theory again, which has been debunked. not only this has been debunked by just about everyone, including republicans, including people who are in intelligence in the trump administration appointees. how do the...

Complaint, the betrayal of the kurds -- this is real. and so they're trying to distract. let's talk about process. let's talk about other things. but the real issue is they're in some very real trouble. >> okay. charlie, let me ask you this, then. >> yeah. >> honestly, then why would anyone in their right mind repeat this conspiracy theory again, which has been debunked. not only this has been debunked by just about everyone, including republicans, including people who are in intelligence in the trump administration appointees. how do they have the gall -- or i'm not sure what you would call i...

Scott brown victory in massachusetts, i think that the white house should have said, okay, we've heard the message. let's break this bill up. there are certain pieces of this bill that have bipartisan support. we're going to pass those so we can start getting something done. instead, they dug their head in the sand, they didn't listen to the message that independent voters were sending about this bill, and i think if they jam this through, the democrats are going to pay a very heavy price this november. >> todd, maybe -- chris, i apologize for doing this. maybe you weren't paying attention las...

Really screwed up was after the scott brown victory in massachusetts, i think that the white house should have said, okay, we've heard the message. let's break this bill up. there are certain pieces of this bill that have bipartisan support. we're going to pass those so we can start getting something done. instead, they dug their head in the sand, they didn't listen to the message that independent voters were sending about this bill, and i think if they jam this through, the democrats are going to pay a very heavy price this november. >> todd, maybe -- chris, i apologize for doing this. maybe ...