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>> literally. >> the whole stadium literally rocked and moved. it was just a great scene. i used to go with my late father-in-law who lived locally. we'd go. we'd just have a great time. that just seems all lost. yeah, they moved way out to maryland. the soulless, huge -- i think it is still fedex field. railings are falling off. it is not the experience it was. it was one of the truly greatest experiences in, not just in the nfl, but in football. hey, i went to michigan. i know football experiences. this was a great football experience. >> right. >> in the past. >> lemire, let's talk about --...

>> conspiracy theories -- >> that could have been mickey mouse -- >> i'm watching going this is the craziest thing i've ever seen. and people bought it. lawsuits -- >> they try to not have your votes counted. they did not want your vote to count. >> potentially illegal pressure campaigns. >> i just want to find 11,780 votes. >> what he was asking for wasn't supported by the facts, wasn't supported by the constitution. >> extraordinary scheming. >> let's talk about -- >> just breathtaking that you would have laid out such a clear game plan that so clearly violated the constitution. >> and all...

Would like to believe. joining me now professor and author of "how civil wars start and how to stop them." wow. it is great to meet you. i first read your book in my colleague's column. compelling and a very good read. i want to put one of the excerpts that stuck out to me and have you talk about it. and i think it's the one where -- well, let's talk about -- let's go to "democracy in decline" where you write, no one wants to believe that their beloved democracy is in decline or headed toward war. the decay is often so incremental that people often fail to notice or understand it, even as they...

There are republicans who are willing to make concessions if that -- if their concerns are also addressed in some ways. >> paul, let's talk about, we're almost nearly, this week we'll hit one year for the president, president biden. he marks that with bad news. a string of bad news. election reforms on the verge of failure, supreme court striking down his vaccine mandate for businesses. omicron spreading still. his job approval 42% in the latest cnn poll of polls. how does the president hit reset and turn the tide here? >> yeah, terrible week, but a good year, i think. he got his recovery act ...

Democracy is not in peril because we're still going to keep voting. >> yes, that's a wonderful point. both historically and in the contemporary world you can have a kind of degradation where elections cease to become a legitimating principle, slowly, slowly become something like a ritual. and it's very hard to know just exactly what point your country stopped being a democracy. historically this has been true. there are contemporary cases where this is true. like, for example, russia. russians had a couple of free elections and then from a certain point, they were no longer free. hungarians ha...